Washington state teen dies after taking punch from classmate

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  1. jkcerda Suspended

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    http://news.yahoo.com/washington-state-teen-dies-taking-punch-classmate-185222474.html

    thoughts are with the family, hard to say what punishment if any would fit the guy since they both agreed to the victim getting punched.
     
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    What a dumb way to settle a dispute.

    I would love to say it "serves them right," but it really serves nobody right. Stupid.
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Is this really a topic for debate?

    I side with not punching people in the face.

    Frankly, it's a criminally idiotic way to settle anything.

    Rebuttal?
     
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    Worth pointing out you can die from a single punch as a healthy adult.
     
  5. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    They thought they was being mature about it instead having a full on fight. Unfortunately it backfired for both of them. Can't really blame both of them as they are only teens. I'm not saying he shouldn't pay for what he did, cause it was still illegal according to law even though they both agreed on it. Or is it? :confused:
     
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    Can't possibly be legal.
     
  7. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Some states do have a concept that is something like "mutual combat" or "combat by mutual agreement". Not sure about Washington State, or, whether or not it would apply. Not a lawyer, YMMV, etc.
     
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    pay how? seriously doubt he will be convicted if there is a trial, can't imagine what BOTH families are going through.
     
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    This is how Harry Houdini died.

    Incidentally, Moe Howard's wife was Houdini 's cousin. Aren't you glad you know that?
     
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    Especially of the puncher is Sonny Liston.
     
  11. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    How would that be different from a duel?

    Edit: here's the first tidbit I've found on that subject ...

    (certainly not the most authoritative site on the subject)
     
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    Big brother: "Hey, let's have a contest to see who can punch the softest."

    Me: "OK"

    <POW!!>

    Big brother: "I lose."

    I actually fell for that when I was a kid.
     
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    I suspect you're wrong.

    Even if you accept the idea that the punch was somehow legal because it was agreed upon, killing wasn't, but that's what happened.....this certainly seems to fall under the category of manslaughter (and that's what the kid was arrested for)

    from the article;
    Washington state definition

     
  14. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Exactly. But this wasn't combat, it was a planned assault.

    They were both adults(legally), so he probably can't claim ignorance of possible injuries or death.
     
  15. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    According to this source, it is still legal in Texas, so long as nobody gets seriously hurt.

    Here's Texas Penal Code ...



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    The injuries would render moot any claim on his part.
     
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    To clarify: I would expect this to be charged, at least, as manslaughter. In some states, it could be charged as second-degree murder. The law is stricter now than it used to be (in many places).

    It sounds as though you are arguing that it could be charged as first degree murder (in some places). You could be right.

    I probably should not have posted at all, but, I will try again to clarify: don't assume that the law is the same in every state. Everybody knows that, but, at the same time, people continue to be surprised when something like this is handled differently in different states.
     
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    I'm just personally guessing that it isn't legal to assault someone even when agreed upon in any state.

    I'm pretty sure the guy braced himself to get ready for the hit, and the other guy planned out exactly where and how hard to punch him. IMO, that wouldn't qualify as mutual combat.

    Would everyone be so conflicted if they both agreed he could use a aluminium bat? Cause without any defense, a fist is just as dangerous.
     
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    He would have to had hit him pretty hard. Does he get my sympathy? Hell no, lock him up.
     
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    This is absolutely not correct. Houdini died from a ruptured appendix. His demise happened days after the gut-punch, and it has not been convincingly established that the punch actually had anything to do with it.
     
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    There, fixed it for ya.
     
  21. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Fails to make your assertion any less inaccurate.
     
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    This is going to wind up with a plea bargain.
     
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    No. You are incorrect. It is a matter of history that Houdini died of a ruptured appendix - the blow he received had nothing to do with it since there is no record of punches causing said rupture. Every documentary that I have read states that it’s very likely that Houdini had appendicitis days before the blow had happened.

    While being punched at his age with the condition he was already in didn’t help things out - it was not the cause of death nor was it a direct relationship.
     

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