Wasteful spending by our government

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  1. tshrimp, Oct 12, 2012
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    As with anything, there is probably some bias built in and I'm guessing that is just scratching the surface of wasteful spending.
     
  3. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    I personally like the Neon museum as I believe our past should be perserved for future generations. I also don't agree with the report's insinuation that with unemployment high, the money could be spent on other things. Major stuff like this draws tourist. Tourist spend money. Those dollars = jobs catering to those tourist. Not to mention the money they can get in film fees. So I am okay with that one, though perhaps it could have been funded privately. Hard to say.

    The train in California I also like, however if even the railroad people didn't save it, I have a hard time justifying that one.

    And as much as I like streetcars, the Atlanta project sounds redundant and ridiculous.

    The other stuff is pretty wasteful too, but it does make for an interesting read. Thanks for posting it!
     
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    Coburn is such a liar that most of his claims are spurious at best. I'd like to see an independent assessment of his list.

    It's shameful that historical preservation is considered wasteful.
     
  5. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    I just skimmed the list and I don't recall anything about wasted time and money with regards to lawmakers trying to suppress voters, deny people equal rights based on gender and do an end run around Supreme Court decisions. I do think there is excessive amounts of pork barrel spending going on though.

    Agreed.
     
  6. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Really? The Neon Museum? As a Las Vegan, I can say with honesty that the OP and Coburn have no bloody idea what they are talking about.

    The Neon Museum is being created and maintained by a 503 c.3 as well as with private donations, including those from all of the casinos to preserve the signs that are being restored there. This is a museum in its truest sense and to call that 'wasteful spending' is "A Bunch of Malarkey"[tm].

    I doubt Coburn has been anywhere near Las Vegas to see the museum, let alone know anything major about it. But then again, this is the same guy that tried to help cover up John Ensign's extramarital affair while in office.

    Credibility = less than credible.

    BL.
     
  7. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Wasteful government spending is a fact. When I was in the USNavy, at the end of the fiscal year if there was $$ left over, we'd better damn sure go fly some cross-countries to use it up. This must be corrected.

    However the GOP professed method (although I am suspicious) is to fix it by getting rid of government as much as they can. That is one way to approach it, but I would prefer an effective government, not a non-existent government.
     
  8. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    This phenomenon occurs everywhere. It's called "protecting next year's budget".

    Why, you ask?

    Because most bean-counters know bugger-all about a line item on a budget, and just look for places to attack with a vengeance.

    But I will concede that Government agencies can take this protectionism to a new level.
     
  9. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Yeah, every corporation I worked for has operated the same way. If you business unit doesn't spend all of it's allocated funds then your budget shrinks for next year. Being smart with your funds actually gets you penalized, not rewarded.
     
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    Doesn't really mean thats how it should be.
     
  11. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    I agree it's not how it should be.
     
  12. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

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    The difference is a corporation can afford it. If they spend more than they make for too long, they go bankrupt. For the Federal Government, not so much. We can go into $16T into debt without any consideration of long term solvency. Thanks Ben!
     
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    All the more reason to reward departments for coming in under budget as opposed to penalizing them, right?
     
  14. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    As a graphic designer, I am curious how much government money was "wasted" putting together this 82-page document. I sure hope they only provided it as a PDF and didn't waste even more money on printing.
     
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    Wake me up when they find the $6.6 billion in cash the Defense Department lost in Iraq.

    The list has some good points about the VA's old buildings and the use of money to remove mold on buildings slated for demolition, those are obvious errors that can be fixed. Maybe Coburn could introduce a bill allowing the VA to demolish or sell the buildings.

    The rest seem like easy targets that are undeserving like the research that put shrimp on treadmills that had McCain so fired up a few years ago.
     
  16. tshrimp thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Don't bring me into the "Have no idea" picture. I am the OP, and didn't say I agreed with anything. Just stated it was interesting link, and not that I agreed with everything in the document. There are hundreds of things in there, some that isn't wasteful, and some that are, but just thought it was interesting.
     
  17. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Aw come on. It's the Government!! No doubt they printed this too. Blank page included!
     
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    The list has some good points but it is clearly failing to pay attention to some of the bigger issues and so I have to question the ideological neutrality...
     
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    Is it possible that the mold had to be removed before demolition for health reasons -- just as you don't just demolish a building full of asbestos because that just makes it airborne and exposes more people to it -- you have to first have trained workers carefully remove the asbestos, and then you can collapse the building?
     
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    According to articles about the place, this was HUD that spent the money on remediation before demolition to spend the money, not because of health concerns regarding the mold. But, that was a good question.
     
  21. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I'm sure private companies manage to take on pretty large debts actually.
     
  22. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

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    If the ratings companies actually were honest about the Federal Government's finances like they are with private companies, they would get the worst (C) rating.

    Deficits of 10% of GDP and Debt at 100% of GDP are worse than Spain and many other countries and most private companies.

    The only saving grace is our ability to print our own currency. That is a privilege that we are abusing and is not sustainable for the long-term.
     

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