"We have some protestors who are bad dudes. They had done bad things. They are swinging." - D. Trump

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    "They are really dangerous. We had a couple big strong powerful guys, doing damage to people. And if they're going to be taken out, I'll be honest. We have to run something." - Donald Trump



    Who are these protesters that are "swinging" at other attendees?

    Who are these "big strong powerful guys, doing damage to people"?

    Is Donald Trump lying about protesters who have attended his events, and is he covering for the bad and often violent behavior of his supporters and staff?
     
  2. FieldingMellish Suspended

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    How does this deserve it's own thread after your prior 2 on the same subject?

    Going a little bit overboard there, buddy.
     
  3. bent christian thread starter Suspended

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    I am not aware of a thread that exists to compile the factual inaccuracies and lies Donald Trump has used on stage.

    Consider this the place to post them.
     
  4. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    Yes, 3 threads is excessive, but God knows we have 10000000000 gun threads.

    Until we get all the facts I won't make a determination either way. A "he said, she said", sensational news report isn't reliable. There's many examples of this.

    When you have thousands of people packed in a stadium, fights are bound to happen. This can be seen at sporting events, concerts, festivals - places where there are no real politics.

    This is just my philosohy, but I don't believe in planting yourself in an audience and disrupting the speaker as an appropriate form of protest. I think it's disrespectful and quite frankly stupid. If you want to protest, great, but do it in a respectful way. Interrupting the person speaking at their event, even if it's the grand wizard of the KKK or Hitler, in my opinion is not appropriate. Picket outside, create your own events, pass of flyers, etc. You wouldn't appreciate it if someone shut you down when you were trying to speak.

    I'm not blaming the victims or justifying the deplorable actions at Trump events. Violence is a far less acceptable form of protest.
     
  5. bent christian, Mar 11, 2016
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    "Trump Steaks: We sell the steaks through my clubs. I have many clubs and hotels. We sell the steaks." - Donald Trump



    Where can I join this elusive club that sells "Trump Steaks"? No mention is made of it anywhere aside from in the recent interview. And now I find out:

    The Trademark on Trump Steaks Was Canceled Two Years Ago, Records Show

    Donald Trump has a beef with people who question whether he's in the meat business, but what he peddled at a victory rally this week doesn't appear to be Trump Steaks.

    The trademark the Republican presidential front-runner took on Trump Steaks in August 2006 was canceled eight years later, in December 2014, according to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

    The supposed Trump Steaks that the GOP front runner trotted out Tuesday after notching primary victories in Mississippi and Michigan are actually from Bush Brothers Provisions, a longtime West Palm Beach meat purveyor, according to the company. (It's not connected to Trump's ousted rival Jeb Bush.)

    It is not unusual for meat to be purchased wholesale and rebranded, but that did not appear to be the case with the meat presented Tuesday. In fact, some of the meat on the butcher board was still wrapped in Bush Brothers packaging. None of the meat appeared to be in Trump Steaks packaging.

    "We do supply his properties in Palm Beach County with beef," a company spokesman told NBC News, referring to Trump. "He's a customer."

    When asked if Trump was still in the meat business, his spokeswoman, Hope Hicks said in an email: "Vast amounts of meat are sold at Trump clubs and properties. Members and other patrons are allowed to purchase the meat- it is a very small, but successful business. The meat is purchased from different locationally (sic) convenient purveyors and is always of the highest quality."


    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...s-canceled-two-years-ago-records-show-n535876
     
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    there are NOT enough gun threads out there[​IMG].
    stop exaggerating
     
  7. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    A really good Washington Post breakdown of Donald Trump's pathetic rationalization for the violence at his rallies.

     
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    Honestly, this year, elections could almost deserve their own subforum. What could be done, but I don't know if it's possible (maybe a mod can help?) is to create flairs like "2016 election" or "Guns" so that users can choose to hide threads with specific flairs.
     
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    don't like them? don't go. if you KNOW things are bound to get stupid, WHY put yourself there?
     
  10. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Free speech?

    Donald Trump is promoting a philosophy of xenophobia; of hatred and misinformation about Muslims, of immigrants from Mexico and elsewhere. People who attend his rallies need to be reminded that there are human beings behind the hateful words Donald Trump shrieks.

    I think one question the Trump apologists need to ask themselves is this: Why are we only seeing violence associated with Trump events?

    Other candidates, including the Democratic ones, sometimes have noisy protestors escorted out. But only at Trump events do people take it upon themselves to start throwing punches; kicking; spitting; etc.

    That is not the United States I know. This is not the United States I love and believe in. It is an ugly, violent, shameful place.

    Trump is a fraud and a charlatan. Electing such a person would be bad enough. But the fact that so doing would unleash a storm of racial, sectarian, and ethnic violence not seen in this country since the Civil War, and ought to get all Americans of good conscience - Democrat, Republican, Independent - reason to work towards banishing Trump and his hateful rhetoric from our national stage.
     
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    Let's not pretend that that people aren't being asked to leave and assaulted for minding their own business and SWB (Standing While Black).


    Another African-American is assaulted at a Donald Trump rally; asked to leave over color of his skin

    (@ 2:33)


    Donald Trump rally: Black student ‘thrown out after crowd confuse him for a protester'

    A black student has been thrown out of a Donald Trump rally without saying a word, it has been reported.

    East Carolina University student Adedayo Adeniyi attended a political rally held by the Republican presidential hopeful on Wednesday night. The 20-year-old says that he went not to protest or demonstrate but because he was curious to see for himself what a Trump rally would be like.

    Video footage captured by Mr Adeniyi appears to show police and Trump supporters approach him and demand that he leave.

    This was instigated because black members of the crowd nearby were protesting and Mr Adeniyi was wrongly implicated by the crowd on the basis of his skin colour, he has told New York Daily News. The footage appears to capture the student’s shocked response: “Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. That’s not me, that’s them. I don’t even know them. What? I don’t even know them.”

    He told New York Daily News: “I was there just to watch and experience the surreal moment of someone like Trump running for president and speaking to thousands of people.

    “At first I refused to leave because it was all just a product of being black at a Trump rally. Basically in that environment I’m guilty by association. But common sense told me to just listen to the cops and move along.”

    He added: “These are presidential rallies. I’m not at a KKK rally. The fact that I experienced hate at a candidate rally tells you everything you need to know about Donald Trump and the people that support him. People will act more hateful and racist in environments that they feel not only encouraged to do it, but accept it as normal.”In the same stadium a further, separate incident occurred when another black man was allegedly seriously assaulted by a Trump supporter. A 78-year-old man has been charged with assault, battery and disorderly conduct.

    In addition, police are investigating two alleged assaults at a recent Kentucky rally. One relates to an alleged incident in which a black woman was reportedly shoved and called “scum” by members of the crowd.

    Mr Trump has been criticised for not condemning violence at his rallies and for appearing to make light of such allegations. The politician said of a protestor last month: “I’d like to punch him in the face.” At a Kentucky rally addressed the crowd: “Get him [a protestor] out. Try not to hurt him. If you do I’ll defend you in court… Are Trump rallies the most fun? We’re having a good time.”


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...owd-confuse-him-for-a-protester-a6924716.html
     
  12. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    Trump over Hillary ANY day of the week. that said I agree you should be able to protest w/o being assaulted at ANY rally. hope those assaulting the protesters are going to jail like the old fart did.
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    don't care what color you are, see above, or post 6 here.
    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-kkk-gets-beat-up-in-anaheim.1958920/
     
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    But I think you need to ask yourself this: Why are incidents of violence only occurring at Trump events?

    They aren't happening at Sanders rallies. At Cruz; or Clinton; or Kasich; or Rubio events. You, and no doubt protestors, have disagreements with many of these candidates positions and records. But crowds at Rubio or Clinton events, no matter how enthusiastic in their support of their candidate - don't seem to react to the sight of protestors by throwing punches and spitting.

    Does Trump bear responsibility for rhetoric that inspires this violence. I think he does. Maybe you have an alternate theory that would explain why we only see violence associated with Trump events.

    I think you ought, also, to consider the ramifications if Trump were to be elected. Do you think it possible that we could see widespread anti-immigrant; anti-Muslim violence as a result of people who felt vindicated in their racist and xenophobic views by the election of Trump? I think its more than possible that would occur.
     
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    NO I don't need to ask myself that because I honestly don't care. you have protesters acting stupid by flipping people off & telling them to go fornicate themselves & you have attendees going full retard because of it, not everyone is willing to just sit down while someone else flips them of & cusses at them. if that is YOU then have at it.
     
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    Woodward: “But (Mexico) they’re a sovereign nation… how do you get a sovereign nation that says they don’t want to pay to pay?”

    Trump: "Trust me, Bob. When I rejuvenate our military, Mexico won’t be playing with us with war, that I can tell you.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-wood...o-go-to-war-with-mexico-to-pay-for-your-wall/



    Is Donald Trump really willing (to spend more money) to go to war with Mexico to pay for a wall we are choosing to build, or is he just playing on the fears of racist and xenophobic voters and willing to abandon this cornerstone of his campaign if elected?

    Is Donald Trump's plan to build this wall a lie? Will he leave his squad of goons flapping in the wind on this?

    He has not articulated how it will be paid for. On top of that, he hasn't spoken about how a war with Mexico would be funded, either.
     
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    Trump 2016 :D
     
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    :D Drumpf is trolling everybody soo good. :p

    It's performance art.
    He is exposing the system, the MSM and he is getting elected at the same time.

    The guy's a ****ing genius.
    I want him to be POTUS soo bad :D
     
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    Obama never told anybody what he meant by Hope and Change, did you know that? He kept saying it, and the MSM kept repeating it. We experienced theater of the mind, where everyone imagined what it could mean in their wildest dreams. Yet, hypocritically, the Libs and media want exacting information this time around.
     
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    Well, maybe you should care.

    Because the Trump-inspired violence and intimidation is spreading way beyond his rallies. And to people who have done nothing other than show up to play basketball.

    and 400 miles away:

    What do you think is going to happen if Trump is elected President?

    The second reason maybe you should care, is because Trump's rhetoric is the absolute opposite of leadership. The President has to look out for the interests of all Americans - not just ones that vote for him. And he's got to get people to work out their differences in ways appropriate to civil society: at the ballot box; in the marketplace; in the legislature; and in the courtroom.

    Lastly, what do you think Trump's violent; intemperate language is going to do to people in foreign countries? People who aren't necessarily friendly to the United States. The last thing we need is a President running his mouth and giving radical extremists an excuse to attack Americans. At home or abroad. The last thing we need to do is give Kim Jung Il any more excuses for conducting nuclear tests.

    Keep thinking Hillary Clinton is your enemy because she gave a couple of speeches at a Wall Street firm. The real enemy is wearing a cheap nylon hat, and bragging about how he's going to make America "Great Again" - mainly by taking it back to the "good old days".
     
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    Wait until the good old boys decide to toss you in the back of their pickup to deport you. ;)
     
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    Hillary is everyone's enemy, good luck finding employment thanks to the crap she pushed.

    Trump 2016, let's make America great again :D
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    Lmfao, Obama deported more people than even Bush did.
    Trump is going to need all the mexicans he can find to build the wall, see the man can create work :p
     
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    Are we still talking about NAFTA?

    I live in the real world. And the real world is that 2014 was the best year in job growth since 1999. Yeah - things could be better. But that has more to do with Republican obstructionism than anything to do with Hillary Clinton.

    Again: This is about Trump-inspired violence and intimidation. I'm a middle-aged white guy, and it frightens me. If I were black; south asian; muslim; or hispanic?

    I'd be terrified.
     
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    carry a gun :D
     
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    CNN aired video of these "protesters" trying to throw a photographer into a burning trash can. So yes, some of these guys are "really bad dudes".
     
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    Trump will do that because he's all upset that Hershey candy bars are made there (with more wax than ever before) and how more cars are now made entirely there where accidents are bound to occur because of such poor manufacturing build quality. Or that's what some might suggest.

    If nothing else, maybe the wall has something to do with this as well:

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2...litant-shaykh-mahmood-omar-khabir-among-them/

    The US can have all the best standards worldwide. If the rest of the world cuts corners, then nobody is helped in the end. It's that simple. Or is it? Why or why not?
     

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