Welfare needed?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Smileyboy, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. Smileyboy macrumors 65816

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    Can someone help me understand welfare.....
    Who needs it? I'd like to actually hear a valid case....
    Just sayin
     
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  3. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    There are many valid cases where welfare is needed ... one for example would be a young mother escaping an abusive spouse.
     
  4. Smileyboy thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Does this young mother have a limitation put on the amount of time welfare can be used and what for?
     
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    Because everyones problem is they're too lazy to get a job. :rolleyes:

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    Welfare is needed when capatilism fails. A Welfare State is basically when the Government steps in to help the well-being and fincancial security of its people. The most common stereotype and counter-argument by right wings is the Dole, where the government provides financial assistance to those who are currently searching for jobs. In many countries it is a requirement to provide proof you are finding a job to stay on the dole.

    However a Welfare state isn't limited to the misguided stereotypes of right wingers. In New Zealand, welfare exists in many forms. Such examples incldue Tertiary education subsidies, where full time and part time students pay subsidiesed tuition fees and also have the option of a living income and the rest of their fees paid for by the government. This is essentially an interest free loan which provides the ability for students to learn without worrying about finances. Another exmpale is our Universal healthcare. The Government pays into our hospitals and most if not all essential health care services are paid by our taxes.

    It depends on he laws of the country. Welfare isn't the same in all countries. In NZ the amount of welfare is considered on a case-by-case basis.
     
  6. Smileyboy thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I wish our gov did case by case.... Seems like its quite the opposite.
     
  7. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    AFAIK, most welfare projects in NZ apart from StudyLink have some sort of review of income etc.
     
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    I hear ya....
    but the way they pay government employees (in Canada at least) it would probably be cheaper to just give everyone the money....
     
  9. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    In Canada and the USA it is done case by case
     
  10. wrinkster22 macrumors 68030

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    Oh... Well I learned something :)
     
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    Crazy... So how do people buy iPhones and hand over food stamps at Walmart?! I don't get it..
     
  13. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    This is the 21st Century, and welfare recipients should get a chipped debit card. Money can be subtracted, and added, right at the POS, and the government can have audit programs to red-flag improper use.

    Done. ;)
     
  14. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    ^^ I don't know how sophisticated it is, but many states in the US do some of this already. Look at this amusing story and also there has been (mostly showboating) debate in Michigan because of records of people using their cards in casinos, in "vacation" destinations like FL and HI, etc.

    Source (or trolling?)?
     
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    That's apparent.
     
  16. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    "What would our Holy Father, Steve, do??"

    Well, first He would get them in everyone's hands, then He would crack the whip.

    ;)
     
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    OP - if you're that curious why don't you chuck in your job and sell any assets you have (give all the money to charity) and actually find out if you then need some kind of welfare. Perhaps you'll find it empowering in a Nietzsche type way.

    For us lesser mortals - I think Clinton summed it up (and I probably paraphrase) "Welfare is a second chance not a way of life". Here in the UK we have problems with benefits (welfare) but the arguments really centre on the level of benefits and when they should cut in or be withdrawn as opposed to having / not having them at all.
     
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    Maybe they had a decent job where they could afford the iPhone, lost their job, applied for food stamps, but thanks to carrier contracts, are unable to get rid of the iPhone?
     
  19. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    Just by asking that question makes me so very glad that I do not live in the USA.
     
  20. OneMike macrumors 603

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    Depends. You have to have been employed to get unemployment.

    Could be stay at home mom, where the husband died / left / etc.. and didn't leave/have anything. Long term she'd need a plan obviously, but short term without family to fall back on she'd likely need some type of immediate assistance. To be fair, in many cases, the woman is the main provider, so she can be he.
     
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    Welfare is clearly a way of life, not a second chance. Clinton is wrong again...

    Welfare grows year on year regardless of the state of the economy, and has become a generational entitlement.

    Change it to "workfare" and make every recipient earn their check. No exceptions.
     
  23. Smileyboy thread starter macrumors 65816

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    A friend of mine who quit her job to get pregnant said...... I'm so happy I have Medicad and food stamps...... Thats what started my rage
     
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    A conditional Plus, except for .....

    There are always exceptions, because, even in Canada, a disability pension is not enough.
     
  25. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    It's also one report from a college student in a blog that doesn't appear to have any fact checking or cross-validation. I'm sure there are people on welfare with iPhones, just like there have at times been people with Cadillacs or Lexuses on welfare. I think any system will have some corruption, and the possibility of corruption in itself (without some kind of analysis of its prevalence that is more systematic than someone's blog post) is not a good enough reason to dismantle government.

    That is, the question is not whether there is anyone who has a 4S or Droid Razr and welfare. The question is how many such people there are. For instance, here, reforms were made so that college students couldn't use their college student status to get an EBT card without normal documentation of need. I think this most likely is a good thing -- there were numbers to support a pattern of abuse (in addition to the anecdotal "I knew this girl who" stories).

    I like the idea of "workfare," but I think conservatives under-estimate the difficulty in really making a system like that work, especially in states or locales with high unemployment rates. Certainly, it seems to me that welfare assistance is probably less warranted in a place like North Dakota with a very low unemployment rate and plentiful job availability than it is in a place like Nevada with very high levels of unemployment and chronic underemployment.
     

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