Well, this maybe interesting...Lawsuit Accusing Trump Of Inciting Rally Violence Gets Green Light

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  1. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-rally-violence-lawsuit_us_58e051dde4b0c777f787fd8b?

    This may test a few things: free speech, intention, and who's responsible for what happens at rallies.
     
  2. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Trump will go down as the most sued president in history. What an accomplishment! The greatest. Bigly!
     
  3. Carnegie macrumors 6502

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    I'm not sure that the plaintiffs will be able to prove the elements of the Brandenburg test. But this seems like the correct ruling at this stage, at least when it comes to the incitement allegation and assuming that the facts are as alleged by the plaintiffs (which is what courts are supposed to do when considering these kinds of motions).
     
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    Not at all trying to defend Trump here (I would love for him to have to shell out a lot of cash for running his big mouth), but isn't it enough to sue/prosecute the morons who decided to put their hands on a woman unprovoked?
     
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    Will the case have to wait until he leaves office?
     
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    he started I think over 100 cases while he was running his campaign. I think this may be the longest time in his history he has not sued someone.
     
  7. JayMysterio thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Evidently not, due to Kellyanne Conway's husband...
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/president-trump-can-thank-paula-jones-his-legal-troubles

    "In 1994, Jones—who was among a group of Bill Clinton accusers Trump assembled at a press conference before the second presidential debate—sued then-President Clinton for sexual harassment. Ann Coulter, a major supporter of Trump's presidential bid, was reportedly the ghostwriter of Jones' legal complaint. Clinton tried to fend off the suit by asserting presidential immunity, which protects the president from lawsuits over conduct while in office. But Jones argued that her case involved actions that had occurred before Clinton took office. Jones' lawsuit resulted in a 1997 Supreme Court decision in her favor that now ensures that all the civil suits currently pending against Trump—and any that may yet be filed concerning his business or private life—can go forward while he's in office. Because of this ruling, Trump can be forced to testify, produce evidence, submit to depositions, and ultimately pay judgments in cases he loses.

    Jones' Supreme Court victory was due in part to the work of George Conway III, a Republican lawyer who is married to Trump's campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway. When Jones' case first became public in May 1994, Conway was a 30-something lawyer at the law firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz and a member of the Federalist Society, a conservative legal group. Conway penned an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times arguing that Clinton was relying on dubious legal arguments. "In a case involving his private conduct, a President should be treated like any private citizen," he wrote. "The rule of law requires no more—and no less."

    The op-ed brought Conway to the attention of Jones' lawyers, Gilbert Davis and Joseph Cammarata. (Cammarata now represents seven women accusing Bill Cosby of sexual assault and other charges.) Subsequently, Conway spent several years quietly working pro-bono with Jones' legal team and a group of other conservative lawyers. This crew ultimately exposed Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky and sparked impeachment proceedings against the president.

    In 1996, the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the case should move forward, saying that it could find no "case in which any public official ever has been granted any immunity from suit for his unofficial acts." Clinton appealed the decision, asking the Supreme Court to delay the trial until after he left office. Conway wrote the Supreme Court brief for Jones. In a unanimous decision written by liberal Justice John Paul Stevens, the court agreed with Conway, and the Jones case proceeded. Clinton was subsequently forced to submit to hours of depositions in the case—a first for a sitting president. Jones ultimately settled with Clinton for $850,000."

    Amazing how stuff comes back around...
     
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    Karma. :D

    It seems a lot of what the Trump people have done in the past comes back to bite them later.
     
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    You apparently are reading something into this. I'm guessing it's your pov.
     
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    o_O

    Because of the Republican obsession with getting Clinton on anything, the door is open to sue 45. The man responsible for successfully opening the door is the husband of the counselor to 45. Before that, the issue about whether 45 could be sued for his actions becoming president may not have been so clear cut.

    In other words, the actions of zealous republicans in the past may come back to haunt the republicans of the present.
     
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    Kinda like when they use the nuclear option?
     
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    Thank Harry Reid.

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    Bitter lefties will not stop attacking him. It's not surprising, nor is it really note worthy.
     
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    I think allowing it to proceed is the right decision. Winning by proving intent is another matter. The title of the thread is also false as one of the motions dismissed by the judge was the one alleging liability on Trump's part.

    Trump should also file a counterclaim seeking damages for the disruption to his rally, a private event that his campaign paid for.
     
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    I don't think so, not under its circumstances.
     
  17. JayMysterio thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Uh, no.

    There were multiple parts of the suit, which the judge dismissed one, and left the main part. 45 can still be sued for possibly inciting violence. That is what 45 himself is being sued for, so the article's title is correct. The lawsuit against 45 is surprisingly going ahead, along with the pile of lawsuits already awaiting 45.

    As for the counter claim, I believe that is not an option because it is not illegal to protest at open events. Even if the event is paid for and held at private property, if anyone can be allowed in, it is open to the public. If you do protest and are asked to leave and do NOT leave ( the protestors in this case did try to leave and were assaulted by Trump supporters ) then you are breaking the law. This is one reason now that 45's events are with ticket admission. If you have to be invited in and disrupt, that opens you up for charges.

    According to CNN again

    "The decision to hold campaign-funded rallies will give Trump more flexibility -- from deciding who's allowed in to helping the campaign build out its database of supporters' contact information."

    "But the two experts emphasized that the campaign-hosted rallies give Trump greater flexibility over who can attend rallies.

    "It gives them control over who can attend the event. By calling it a campaign event they can basically limit it to their supporters and keep protesters out," Noble said.

    While campaign rallies are private events, one organized by the White House would be public and officials would not be allowed to deny attendees entry on a political basis, Potter added.

    The campaign's funding of the event also gives Trump more leeway in what he says on the stump, keeping him out of legal trouble if he delves into talk of his reelection bid or urges supporters to endorse or oppose any candidate for political office.
     
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    You apparently aren't paying attention to things that boomerang on people in this administration. The rest of us are.

    Not everyone in the world is bitter. Sometimes things are just wrong, nothing else. Trump certainly is no stranger to the courtroom. That's not a left/right thing. That's just because he does things wrong.
     
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    I agree and I certainly do not agree with Trump on several issues. But I do think that those opposed to him will stop at nothing to bring him down. They will lie, cheat, and steal as long as it hurts Trump.
     
  20. JayMysterio thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Sorta like what happened to the previous guy in the job. Only that guy had a few less legal liabilities, with the exception of that whole fake birth certificate thing. ;)
     
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    Sounds more like Trump. :D
     

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