Well, whaddaya know? Republicans are okay with raising taxes...

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    ...as long as it's on you.

    Which is a nice way of saying that my tax cut is better than your tax cut.

    Still doesn't make a lick of sense, though. Chances are I'll spend my tax cut on something, whereas the wealthy will continue to sit on theirs.
     
  2. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Remember, whatever they can do to make Obama look bad is what they're going to do. They will throw the entire country under the bus to do it.
     
  3. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    I'd think you'd laugh at some of the overseas stereotypes/jokes surrounding this.
     
  4. leekohler macrumors G5

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    It might be funny to you, but for us it's a nightmare.
     
  5. jnpy!$4g3cwk, Aug 21, 2011
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    Precisely.


    It makes perfect sense, in the same way that sales taxes make sense and income taxes don't. You just aren't wealthy enough, or selfish enough, to get it.:rolleyes:
     
  6. Shrink macrumors G3

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    Well, then, I want to be wealthy so I can understand all this :D ;)

    Purely for intellectual reasons, of course. :rolleyes:

    Could you help me with this? Please? :p
     
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    Saw that Friday, via the WWW.

    Jon, at his very prime, and 'they' truly hate him for it. :D
     
  9. bruinsrme macrumors 601

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    Are the republicans wanting to raise taxes above the levels prior to the tax-reliefs?

    Does anyone here know someone abusing the SSI or welfare system?
     
  10. mgguy macrumors 6502

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    Cutting the payroll tax would make the lower income earners pay even less in taxes than they do now, with the bottom 50% of earners paying no income taxes at all. Continuing to grow the base of the taxpaying laggards will make it certain that they will continue to vote for politicians and policies aimed at raising taxes for the rest of us. I would like to see them have more skin in the game, not less. I say, cut taxes on those who already pay the most and raise it on those who pay the least.
     
  11. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Let's do away with the Bush tax cuts. End of story.
     
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    I trust you are speaking of percentage of income, and not the current method of taxing the middle-class to death.
     
  13. bruinsrme macrumors 601

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    This year alone, I have well ovre 35,000 reasons why I hate paying federal tax.
     
  14. mgguy macrumors 6502

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    I am speaking about dollar amount and percentage of income, take your pick. My understanding, and I'm sure you will correct me if I am wrong, is that nearly 50% of income earners pay no income taxes at all. I would like to see them pay more taxes on their income, whether or not you cut it for those who currently pay more. I don't care what other taxes, in other forms, they are paying; they should pay income taxes too. I would be alright with this even if higher income earners are not asked to pay less than they do now to offset this increase. Hence, I guess that makes me a tax increaser--but just on those who now pay nothing.
     
  15. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    raising taxes is one of the only logical ways out of this financial mess
     
  16. AP_piano295, Aug 21, 2011
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    The richest 400 people in this country have assets equivalent to the combined assets of the bottom 50% of earners in this nation.

    Which means the top 400 combined have as much as the bottom 150,000,000 combined...

    EDIT: 150,000,000 not 150,000 (apologies)
     
  17. bruinsrme macrumors 601

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    completely disagree with that notion.

    Increasing the manufacturing and other sectors strength would thereby increasing the number of jobs, redce unemployment in turn increase the tax revenues and avoid having to raise taxes.

    When Obama stated he wants to ensure everyone that wants a job has a job I freaking peas my pants.
    I don't want a job. I would much rather let some tax payer pay me not to work so I can get my free rent, utilities, EBT card and medical.
    I love hearing the first of the month complaints, my check is late again, my EBT card hasn't been loaded, I don't know how they expect me to live on what they are giving me.
    Cut that crap out and put these people to work, contributing to the tax base and the deficit will be hitorical event
     
  18. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I agree- there should be some sort of educational programs going on to get folks on welfare into jobs. Canada does that. Oh sorry, I forgot- they're socialists. :rolleyes:

    But yeah, doing what has been proven to work doesn't usually sit well with too many Americans these days it seems.
     
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    You know...you're right...I'd like to see them pay more taxes on their income, too. That is a GREAT idea.

    But first things first...let's use those tax breaks and record corporate profits that have been occurring lately and create some jobs so that those people have an income to begin with. Because even in Republican math, 10% of zero is still zero.
     
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    I don't care how much money the rich have. It doesn't belong to the government or poor people; they didn't earn it and its not theirs to fairly take. Everyone must contribute something. If the bottom half of income earners each paid $100 on average rather than nothing, it might make them less likely to automatically want to raise taxes (knowing that theirs will be raised too) and it would also go a long way toward paying down the deficit. The trend of fewer people paying more and more of the taxes has done nothing to reduce the government's propensity to tax and spend at unsustainable levels.
     
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    How far, exactly, do you think that would go?
     
  22. samiwas, Aug 21, 2011
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    Most people who "pay no income taxes" got that way because they make so little that credits take care of it. Your pals the rich get their fair share of credits and write offs as well, and probably far MORE than a poor person could ever dream of. Hell, your average millionaire's writeoff is probably multitudes more than your average poor person's yearly income. I have absolutely NO sympathy for them. Zero. Zilch. NONE. They've proved time and time again that their lower taxes and anything else they get does NOT lead to anything better for the economy or country in general. I think every person in the country should get the same basic exemption, because everyone is the same. Okay...so if your life is so bad that you don't make enough to overcome the exemption, why should you be punished more than the guy who goes and flies around in his jet as other people actually do the work?

    Cry me a ********* river that their income, wealth share, and profits are at their highest levels ever, and their taxes at their lowest level ever, but somehow this is still not enough. But somehow, all of this has nothing to do with not enough revenue coming into the gov't. :rolleyes: Taxes are not theft.

    For every person gaming the welfare system for a few extra dollars, there is a person gaming the financial and corporate system for a few extra million. But this is okay, because they are "resourceful". Is that somehow better? I can think of a million reasons why not.

    And I fall right at the top 20% mark, so I'm not some poor person whining for myself. Try all you want, but I doubt you will ever change my view on this...because I see through it all.

    If the bottom half (let's just pretend that's 150 million people) paid even $1000 each, that's $150 billion (not the piddly $15 billion you say). That's still a far, FAR cry from simply doing away with the Bush tax cuts which affect only the very top income earners who would barely even notice the difference. So exactly how long of a way are we talking??
     
  23. AP_piano295 macrumors 65816

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    ^^^^Excellent Post^^^^

    Further it's not as if the poor don't pay taxes, they still pay into social security and medicare and they still pay sales tax. They just don't pay income tax, because their incomes are so small :rolleyes:.
     
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    :eek:
    That may have come out wrong. :eek:
     
  25. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Many of the rich didn't earn their money either, they inherited it.

    No worries. It's just tough here right now with the right wing trying to turn this country into a fascist theocracy.
     

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