We're going to start making Apple computers in this country

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    Donald Trump speaking in Des Moines, Iowa, on Friday, December 11, 2015:

    "We're going to have jobs again, believe me, we're going to be manufacturers again. We're going to start making Apple computers in this country. What the hell good does it do to make them in China? I want to make them in this country. And we have the ability to do it."
     
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    Very funny. Labor costs alone would sink Apples ship. Another of Trumnps' trumped up fantasies.
     
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    Steve Jobs made Apple rich through product innovation, while Tim Cook has kept Apple rich by exploiting poorly paid Chinese workers.

    If Apple can build a car that drives itself, then Apple surely can figure out how to build products in the USA.
     
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    Yeah...he could but he won't. He knows his growing market is not the good old USA but overseas. Companies like Apple have no national allegiance.

    That's the trouble with America and it's multinational companies today.
     
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    I think the real trouble with America is that Donald Trump is still taken seriously by many.
     
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    While that might have been true several years ago, that conclusion isn't so obvious today. There are many large companies leaving China ( usually for Southeast asian countries like VietNam etc. ) because labor costs there have escalated significantly. There was an extensive Wall Street Journal article in the last couple of months describing it.
     
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    Companies are entities not people. They are controlled by shareholders/investors with only one goal: profit. To try to view a company as some compassionate entity like a human is simply a waste of time; companies have always been this way.

    Companies maximize profit for their shareholders. This means they:
    (1) Actively manage their labor costs and go where it is cheapest. They also need to factor in goods transport/delivery costs.

    (2) Actively manage their taxes( simply another cost ). This means they flee countries ( like the USA ) with higher corporate taxes.

    The USA needs to do more to encourage ( and not penalize ) corporate investment( one by lowering corporate taxes to be at least the same as Ireland ) because that means jobs in the USA.
     
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    The real trouble is that it looks like we will have to pick between him or Hillary Clinton. So we have a narcissistic, racist, power hungry prick or a narcissistic, lying, power hungry bitch. They are both horrible examples of America and are both highly unqualified to be the leader of our country, yet here we are and as of right now they are the two most likely people to be our next president.
     
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    Celebrity Death Match, anyone?
     
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    This would be the perfect matchup of that show!
     
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    The right loves saying "people speak with their wallets" or something like that. And the market has spoken: people prefer to have cheap consumer goods even if it comes at the price of a fair manufacturing system and American jobs. How often have we heard that a self-balancing free market is the best system?
     
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    Your premise that Apple computers are cheap is wrong.

    It is hard for us to figure out what the machines really cost, but we can get a good idea of the over-charging by looking at the cost of upgrades. Apple charges $200 to upgrade iMac memory from 8GB to 16GB. Crucial sells 8GB for $44 and 16GB for $82. Apple clearly rips-off customers.
     
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    Is why Foxconn who is Apples main manufacturing partner is opening new factories in India.
     
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    My premise is perfectly valid in the sense that they are cheaper than they'd be if they were manufactured in the US.
     
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    The US and other "1st world" countries don't need low-skill jobs to be brought back from China, they need to get better education to broader masses.

    Bringing these jobs back either by competing for the loweset level ofv standarts or by restricting import will only lead to these countries not being "1st world" pretty soon.
     
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    How do you know? You cannot tell because computers are not made here anymore.

    As a matter of fact, the very first Macs were made right here in a highly automated factory in Fremont California. I used to drive past the Apple factory on my way to Silicon Valley.
     
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    The statement above is a reckless, irresponsible claim, that's misguided and inappropriate.

    Carelessly made and quite incorrect, it's unfortunate you throw words around so casually...

    While Apple is guilty of many things, one of which is very poor labor practices, oversight and administration, for you to blame it all on Tim Cook, is to show just how much you _do_NOT_ know about how Apple Inc. operates.
     
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    Before Steve Jobs died, Tim Cook was the executive in charge of production.

    The Apple business plan is to make everything in China.
     
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    Anyone familiar with Apple and how it was run by Steve Jobs, knows that he micromanaged everything. Tim Cook had a variety of duties, not one of which went without direct involvement and approval of SJ. The comment on China is odd.
     
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    Here is a picture of happy Apple suppliers.
     

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    The question for Trump ... why isn't Apple already manufacturing computers in the U.S.? And what would he do as president to change the current environment so that Apple would bring some/more of it's manufacturing back to the U.S.?
     
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    He has addressed this in the debates citing that our tax structure is too demanding on manufacturers. He would reduce that tax, making manufacturing profitable once again and creating jobs.
     
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    Mac Pro is not relevant. Most Apple revenue is from iPhones.
     

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