What are the chances that Intel brings the Iris Pro down to 13" MBP in Feb Refresh?

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  1. FrozenDarkness macrumors 65816

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    I'm kind of curious why Apple didn't just request Iris Pro for the dual core chips. I know there are TDP concerns but it's not entirely clear to me how much TDP iris pro actually would take. It seems that all these 13.3" lag concerns would definitely be alleviated with the Iris Pro graphics.
     
  2. raptor402, Jan 4, 2014
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    Well, as far as I know, the Intel HD5000, HD5100 and HD5200 are almost the same. The HD5000 and HD5100 are identical in all but TDP. HD5200 adds a 128MB embedded DRAM to the HD5100.

    One thing to note is that up until Haswell, Intel offered very few GPUs for a particular range. Most Ivy Bridge processors had HD4000. Only a very small number (the Pentium and Celeron ranges) had HD2500. Now, they have shifted to a multi-GPU range. I believe that they will stick to it and offer the best GPUs (HD6200?) only in the top end i7 Quad Core processors as they do now.

    Raptor

    EDIT: To clarify my point. The HD5100 and HD5200 are identical and consume the same amount of power. However, the HD5200 adds the eDRAM to counter the memory bandwidth bottleneck issues.
     
  3. Wuiffi macrumors 6502a

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    They have the same number of EUs but as far as I know the HD5100 is clocked higher (something like 100 MHz, but that's nearly 10%)
     
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  6. jav6454 macrumors P6

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    There are some technological (and monetary) boundaries Intel likes to keep in their lineup.

    You want to see better GPU performance? Don't buy a 13" MacBook "Pro". Show Apple the word Pro should entail a discrete GPU, not some integrated junk.
     
  7. dusk007 macrumors 68040

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    Apple removed one fan in the 2013 model because the 28W TDP chip didn't need it anymore. None of the Haswell Iris Pro chips would go low enough to make it now. On the 2012 two fan 13" a 37W low TDP version might have worked out somehow.

    Broadwell promises edram for lower TDP chips. The 13" broadwell will offer quite a bit more Iris Pro like performance. Whether they will end up calling it Iris Pro remains to be seen but architecturally there won't be the big difference that exists now between 5100 and 5200.
     
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    Perhaps I'm misunderstanding things but the 13" MBP always had 1 fan, the 15" MBP is the one with two fans.
     
  9. Wuiffi macrumors 6502a

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    Afaik the late 2012 and early 2013 rMBP (13") had two fans. with the late 2013 they went back to one fan (as every "normal" 13 MBP had). however the one fan is much bigger than the ones in the 2012 version, so I guess the airflow might be the same
     
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    You're right - I just checked ifixit and those two models had 2 fans while the my old 2010 13" MBP only had one.
     
  11. tlink91 macrumors newbie

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    The 2012 model of the rMBP 13" had 2 fans rather than the regular 1 in a 13 inch model. The 2013 model left only one.
     
  12. vijayvasa macrumors member

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    Would there be a February refresh for Mbp retina "?
     
  13. FrozenDarkness thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Here usually is a minor spec bump
     
  14. vijayvasa macrumors member

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    Thanks i wanted a 13 mbpr , i hope then its better to wait till feb as i am not in a hurry.
     
  15. leman macrumors 604

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    Depends whether Intel introduces new CPUs. So far, I am not aware of them doing that.
     
  16. vijayvasa macrumors member

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    Is it worth going for a mba 11 ? God so confused.i wanted portability , but at the same time wondering if i miss retina.
     
  17. leman macrumors 604

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    The MBA line is an amazing computer. Of course, retina gives you a better display etc., but if you only use your machine for casual stuff and the portability is important, MBA will work just fine.
     
  18. dusk007 macrumors 68040

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    The only thing you might get is some 100Mhz spec bump. Nothing else and even that isn't certain because Intel so far hasn't given any sign to release a spec bump before Broadwell. Given the general timeline they might skip this step and usually Intel updates their pricelist 2 months ahead of them showing up in notebooks. If you have the money now, buy it now. Otherwise you will be waiting till Broadwell.

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    I feel like on 15".
    1440x900 is just low res bad.
    1680x1050 is much better.
    1920x1200 is still better.
    past 1920x1200 really does very little if anything, unless you are looking for it. On normal viewing distance I feel like, past 1080p on 15" does not offer much, I would really pay for. In games up till 1080p I see noticeable differences but higher isn't worth it, is kind of meehh.
    Apple chose their retina res always because it doubled what they previously had not because it is some scientifically ideal resolution. If you compare 1440x900 standard res 15" the difference is huge. Compare a normal 1080p 15" display on normal viewing distance and color and contrast quality will be far more in your eye than resolution.

    I never used 13" notebooks too long but I am guessing the golden res is much lower. 1440x900 on 13" is probably fine (kind of like 1680x1050 on 15"). 1280x800 on 13" I think is a too low. I don't think you will miss retina too much if you use it normally.
     
  19. vijayvasa macrumors member

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    You are probably right though. I really like the idea of 11 inch as its super portable and let me focus. Am in It production support and would remote quite a lot, so at the same time wondering if retina 13 would be nice as well. In uk you have to pay upto 1000 pounds for mba11 and for 200 more you get retina. Thanks for the opinions though. Because once i bought i wont be allowed to change.
     
  20. Julpride macrumors newbie

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    Came here for this. :D

    A larger market would be open up if Apple decides to push in Iris Pro into the 13"... The best in class portable machine.

    But then again, seeing how Apple's emphasize is on sustaining the battery life... We shall wait and see.
     
  21. dusk007 macrumors 68040

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    Afaik the 11inch has the same ppi as the 13inch. It is kind of the same thing. In pure mobility there is a huge difference between the 13" MBP and the 11" air. Even the 13" Air is quite a bit less heavy and bulky.
     
  22. vijayvasa macrumors member

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    OK Guys atlas got the macbok air 11 i5 version for a cheap price of 560 with warranty till 2016. What a difference the size and weight for the use. Amazing. I also have an iPad air which actually is really good to use for my PDF books as a second screen reference. Am so thrilled to atlast start using the mba 11. Glad I did not go for retina one as it weight 1.56 kg where as mba is only 1.06 kg.

    Thanks guys. Your opinions made a lot of difference and the custom profiles on my LG display from macrumors are amazing.

    I think this is the best ultraportable machine I have ever used.

    VJ
     

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