What can America do to be in better shape in 2030?

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  1. BigQid macrumors regular

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    According to Wolfram Alpha, The US workforce is about 150 million people. Of the 130 nonfarm workers, 22 million are public sector employees, 108 million are private sector. 18 million are in goods producing industries, but the rest are in service industries. There are 15 million counted as unemployed. 27 million actually unemployed. I didn’t realize how few Americans make stuff but that number may still be shrinking. What can America do to be in better shape when most things can be made more cheaply overseas and our technical superiority is being eroded by our poor education system?
     
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    Do what you are good at, designing things. Leave the dead-end manufacturing jobs to the third world. Get every high school student to read the collected works of Adam Smith.
     
  3. Desertrat, Nov 5, 2010
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    Absent a 180-degree shift in monetary policy and Congressional priorities? Pray.

    There are already many highly-profitable ideas and processes ongoing, but the amount of workforce involved is very small. Examples are nano-technology and alternative energy sources of various sorts. These cannot make up for the mid-range-competency jobs of industrial production.
     
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    I didn't realize that Germany's economy was built on low wage manufacturing jobs. They must be doing something wrong...

    The difference between Germany and the US when it comes to manufacturing, is that Germany has workers on their companies' boards. Workers are viewed mostly as partners, not as low wage, knuckle dragging peons. Until the US shows a little respect for blue collar workers, there's probably not much hope for the US.
     
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    It's dead end for Germany too, most Germans are in the service industry. They are also good at designing. 18m people in US manufacturing and you still produce more than the rest of the world. That should be telling you something as to the direction of manufacturing employment.
     
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    America would need to de-industrialize and restructure its economy away from consumerism, toward a more egalitarian approach that recognizes the value of everyone's contribution in more practical terms. This of course cannot happen, so anyone truly concerned about real socialism or effective anarchy can heave a sigh. America is safe, its failure absolutely guaranteed. Perhaps the phoenix that rises will be an improvement.
     
  7. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Sorry , Ugg, but that's way too superficial to even consider. The US industrial problem is that we've priced ourselves out of competiveness--which is what led directly to all the hoo-hah about "shipping jobs overseas". Our societal problem is that we've incurred far more debt--both private and puiblic--than we can repay.

    Our fearless leaders are setting up to digitize another $0,9 trillion in debt, and the consumers are exporting over a half-trillion dollars of personal wealth per year. A corporate board 100% made up of members of the workforce won't change that one iota.

    Hey, I'm "buying American" as best I can. :) My Toyota pickemup was built in San Antonio and I just ordered a Lincoln cracker-box welder from the US factory.
     
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    By 2030, everything will be perfect! The top 1% of Americans will have 99% of the country's money, and they will use that to create jobs for people! Because that's what they do.
     
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    If I get the new job I'm gunning for, I'm gonna treat myself to the new Camaro Convertible. That will help. ;)
     
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    Mobilize forces in both major political parties, whichever you vote for if at all, to go with candidates that are against offshoring.

    Put more emphasis on education in the US and stop the bleeding. We need a stronger math and science based K-12 education, like it was in the past. Of the three R's, it may be nice to focus on the third.

    And have third parties grow a pair. The Greens don't need to cater to the Dems and the Tea Party does not need to cater to the GOP. It's OK to have a third or fourth voice in US politics.
     
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    :D

    I honestly thought this thread would be about obesity. Current projections say 60% of Americans are headed there.
     
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    me too!
     
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    Unfortunately, the Neiman Marcus model sold-out, in 3 minutes.

    It was SO you. :)
     
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    63dot, how can there any constitutional way to mobilize government against off-shoring?

    Offshoring occurred as a way for companies to avoid bankruptcy due to loss of sales because of too-high production costs for competitiveness in the marketplace. Legislating against it would result in fewer and fewer choices of items in trade.
     
  16. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I know! It was very nice. The black on black racing stripes and the very spare use of red accents was just amazing.

    I was bummed when I saw that it was gone a while ago. Regardless, even if I had the new job now, I doubt I would be able to afford that version.
     
  17. BigQid thread starter macrumors regular

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    I was hoping you all would have constructive thoughts like work on infrastructure and education since those can't be outsourced. Make more medical schools, give more scholarships to teachers, give scholarships for engineering, chemistry and other sciences so we keep attracting the best and the brightest. Come up with a jobs program of low labor jobs like after school care or tutoring to make it so you can increase the retirement age, push the envelope of quality of products that we manufacture here so that they get chosen instead of products from other countries.

    I guess the question is what are America's big problems. Education, the high cost of healthcare, retirement. I'm sure I'm missing something, but that was the direction I was hoping the conversation would go in.
     
  18. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Then you should have said so. ;)

    We talk about all of that so much on here that it was odd to see such a general thread. We tend to focus on the specifics of all of those things you mentioned in their own respective threads, as they are far too complex to generalize.
     
  19. BigQid thread starter macrumors regular

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    I've been on macrumors a while, but I just started exploring the politics forum so I'm half a newbie. That said, we are governed in generalities. I'd like to think that while there are several separate threads going it might be useful to have a discussion over which of the topics is most important rather than have all the people concerned about education in one corner. I was inspired by a similar question somewhere else and thought the time constraint of 20 years from now was a fair constraint. Ten years still seemed a bit short sighted to me.
     
  20. leekohler macrumors G5

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    All the things you listed are of equal importance. We also need to get past homophobia and racism, which clearly are things we still have major problems with. I have little faith those things will be defeated, but I hope they're at least minimized by then. But hey, I'm hoping not to be in the country by then or dead.
     
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    What can America do to be in better shape in 2030?

    Lose 80 pounds of fat.
     
  22. 63dot macrumors 603

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    Back when the economy was great and we were offshoring, do you really think companies did this more to avoid bankruptcy, or more to maximize profits?
     
  23. CaoCao macrumors 6502a

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    Spend more on education, stop cracking down on illegal immigration, (but don't give amnesty), increase teacher classroom spending tax deductible from $200 to $5000. Universal Health Insurance for $50/Person-Month (Families making less than 200% of poverty line excluded from paying). Mandatory three year stint in the Peace Corps (would teach foreign language, work ethic, understanding of other cultures and helps boost reputation of the US).
     
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    We really need to explore all the possibilities. Consumerism and economic growth have devastated our ecosystem, our financial system and our individual psyches. Yet we continue to advocate for it. Kind of reminds me of the time I tried cocaine, which primarily had the effect of making me want to do more for no particular reason.
     
  25. CaoCao macrumors 6502a

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    We are on a path and for a long time we have been able to go towards more and better, now the paths have split, which shall we take?
     

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