What Democrats get wrong about Trump

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    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/kanye-w...blow-your-mind/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    In fact, a strong argument could be made that, if Trump ever lost the image of having big “cojones,” it might be the only development which would cost him the support of his “Cult 45” following. Consequently, I will always believe that the biggest mistake Democrats made in the 2016 election was going after Trump, and playing right into hands, as a politically incorrect mean guy, instead of portraying him as a buffoon-like conman who was actually a paper tiger and, when it comes down to it, actually a wimp (just ask the still unfired Jeff Sessions).

    Trump’s political strength is the (mis)perception that he is strong, or has big “balls.” And yet Democrats, partly because they now seem to see anything that is “manly” as inherently bad, just can’t bring themselves to “feminize” Trump because in their minds it will make him seem less awful, when in reality it would make him politically impotent.



    This article is spot on. I’ve always believed Trump is nothing like his supporters think he is but Democrats and the media constantly play into his hands as they don’t know how to effectively fight him. During the campaign I thought Marco Rubio was on to something when he went after Trump University and called Trump a con man. Unfortunately someone on his campaign then decided he needed to be a bad comedian insult factory making fun of Trump’s orange face, intimating that his small hands meant another piece of his anatomy was small etc. It killed his campaign. And if Michael Avenatti is anything to go by it looks like Democrats aren’t learning the lesson.

    If Democrats and Never Trump Republicans want to beat Trump they need to pierce the myth of Trump as strength. Take the Kavanaugh nomination. Trump says no other Republican would have stood by him and my Twitter feed of conservative media all agreed with him. Yet it’s complete BS. What saved Kavanaugh was first and foremost Democrats and the way they went after him over unproven allegations and other smears. And of course the man himself in the way he defended himself plus members of the judiciary committee like Lindsey Graham, Chuck Grassley and John Cornyn who forcefully defended him. And Mitch McConnell who made it his mission to get the guy confirmed. That made it easy for Trump to stick with him. But had there been wavering in the Senate where it looked like he wouldn’t get confirmed does anyone really think Trump would have stuck with a losing confirmation battle? Please. But he’ll push this myth to his gullible MAGA supporters who will eat it up. Wake up Democrats and non-Trump Republicans. If you want to beat him you need a new playbook.
     
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    The things people criticize him for are the exact things his base loves him for. No one will beat Trump by whining he’s a bully on Twitter. Instead argue he’s a paper tiger who will say things on Twitter he would never say to someone’s face. Bring up the fact Hillary isn’t in jail, Trump hasn’t fired Mueller, Rosenstein or Sessions. The wall isn’t built. Rather than saying OMG his words are destroying our democracy say he’s a blow hard whose bark is way worse than his bite. Point out that it’s all shtick, all an act. An act that’s getting incredibly stale.
     
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    He's a moron and I really don't need to analyze why he won. We went from the first black president to a degenerate rag-sheet ******* moron in two elections.

    I guess variety is the spice of life.
     
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    His base is small. Probably in the 25% range. His people-think-he-is-ok rating floats around the 40% range, has never really come close to 50%. He is the fringe element president.
     
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    I don't care why his base loves him. I don't dislike him based on what his base thinks. We disagree anyways.

    I'm glad George H.W. and Barbara lived long enough to not see their son as the worst president in modern history.
     
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    Alright, but don't be too upset if he gets a second term, then.
     
  8. darksithpro, Oct 13, 2018
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    Trump never claimed to be a one dimensional super villain. The left leaning media painted him as such, not his supporters. All we have is social media and a few conservative websites to lean on. Trump is a master entertainer, so yea he played the media, but that's their fault for hitting him 24/7. Remember what I told you guys. The hate for Trump has effectively turned the CNN's, Wapo's and the NBC's into tabloid journalism. Instead of focusing on news people care about, they'd rather talk about Stormy Daniels and his Mario-Kart wee wee. How his wife was wearing a colonial hat in Africa and how he was secretly thinking racist thoughts when Kayne was visiting him. This type of journalism is so useless it might not even be worthy for a tabloid print. Also, you can't blame people for siding with Trump when you see the MSM act this way. Trump never forced them to act like that.


    The liberal MSM has doubled down on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensationalism

    "Sensationalism is a type of editorial bias in mass media in which events and topics in news stories and pieces are overhyped to present biased impressions on events, which may cause a manipulation to the truth of a story.[1]Sensationalism may have reporting about generally insignificant matters and events that do not influence overall society and biased presentations of newsworthy topics in a trivial or tabloid manner contrary to the standards of professional journalism."
     
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    See here's where you and I differ (in at least one way). People siding with Trump should have nothing to do with the media. Trump is Trump regardless of the media. An incompetent moron.

    Why you and others keep holding the media responsible and/or to a higher standard than POTUS is something I will never understand.
     
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    Trump never claimed the moral high ground during his campaign. He said he was gonna be tough, without a politicians filter. Basically he was completely honest about his character as he even gloated about his wealth. The people still voted him in. So I don't get outrage that he's a bully, or not acting presidential. We all knew what his character was when he was campaigning.
     
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    That's the thing tho, The People didn't vote for him, they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary. It's just that the system is designed to cater to rural states because of their inferiority complexes.
     
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    Then vote in Congressional leaders to change the rules, but you can't just move goal posts after your candidate lost. Rural areas have different needs than big urban areas. They're more likely to be farmers, so if you took away the EC, the vote would come down to only a handful of states, such as Kalifornia, Texas, Florida, ect. Basically alienating a lot of people.
     
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    The people? No - the Electorate. Which is still something you and others keep getting wrong.

    And what you wrote has nothing to do with what I wrote. Go back and read it again and you'll see - you didn't address my comment at all.
     
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    I think most sensible people, Democrat or Republican, male or female, leftist or rock-ribbed Conservative, understand Donald Trump very well. They can recognize an incompetent, mentally unbalanced, narcissistic con-man a mile off.

    The key quote (for me) in the article is this:

    What to do about that cohort of 30-odd million middle-aged white guys with masculinity issues? Uh, well Viagra was covered by the Affordable Care Act. I've already suggested that Democrats walk away from the political correctness issue although, to be fair, I don't think it was ever much of an explicit campaign slogan.

    If Donald Trump's chanting "Lock her up!" and "Build the wall!" makes these sad sacks feel better about themselves, I'm not really sure what alternative anyone who wasn't a psychopathic demagogue could offer.

    What we've got here is a failure to communicate. Some men, you just can't reach.
     
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    No, I didn't get anything wrong. He's our president, that's a fact. He made some campaign promises, and some of those have been kept!

    Trump said he'd move the US embassy to Jerusalem. Promise made, promise kept!
    Trump said he was going to get conservative judges on the supreme court and other courts. Promise made, promise kept X2 with SCOTUS!

    So far he's making good one some of his promises. Didn't Obama promise to close Gitmo?
     
  16. samcraig macrumors P6

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    You keep missing my point. Carry on.
     
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    You realize trump won over 52% of white women right. This isn’t just a masculinity issue. Maybe put up a candidate that isn’t worse than he is. That’s a start.
     
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    And I'm quite sure that has made life for millions of sad-sack middle-aged white American men so much better.

    I challenge you, or anyone else, to explain how it does. Stupid campaign promise, made by stupid candidate. One that will only make the situation in the middle east worse. If that was actually possible.
     
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    What exactly is your point. That Trump is awful? Agreed. Doesn’t excuse the media’s awfulness either.
     
  20. darksithpro macrumors 6502a

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    No, I totally get your point. You claim the conservatives are holding the MSM to a higher standard than Trump. The reason that argument falls apart is because we already knew what standard Trump had when we voted him in. Then after he got in the journalists lowered their standards to attack Trump. It's not Trumps fault. It's their fault for going to journalistic lows.
     
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    This was a campaign promise made by republicans for decades. The idea is to show the world we support Israel and the world hasn’t ended.
     
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    I guess the truth is, when you run someone like Hillary, because it's "her turn" expect unexpected consequences.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 13, 2018 ---

    They just don't get it, or want to think it... That perhaps what they did to Bernie and the backyard shenanigans disgusted the people to vote Trump to spite them. POTUS is not an entitlement for pay to play. Oh well...
     
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    You still haven't explained how it makes life any better for Trump's white trash struggling supporters.

    Was there really any doubt that the US "supports Israel"? The $3 billion or so a year in military aid the US was giving (even under Obama) didn't make the point clear enough to JimBob and Bettysue as they guzzled Mountain Dew in their smoke-belching pickup truck on the way to Wal-Mart? The $429 million for Iron Dome missile defense systems Barack Obama provided just didn't make the point clear enough to these cretins?

    I'll forgive JimBob and Bobbysue for not being particularly grateful to Barack Obama for sending Iron Dome to Israel. Because - why should they care?

    But I'm mystified why then they should be so grateful to Donald Trump for licking Sheldon Adelson's ass moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem (at a cost that will probably come in close to $500 million before all is said and done) - and simultaneously ending any chance of a Two-State solution to a longest-lasting foreign policy headache that has plagued us all for more than seventy years.
     
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    Didn't Trump promise to reunify Korea? Didn't Trump promise to build a wall? Didn't Trump promise that Mexico would pay for that wall? Didn't Trump promise to investigate Clinton? Didn't Trump promise to drain the swamp?

    You really don't want to go down this road.

    BL.
     
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    But Obama said I could keep my doctor!!!!!!!! ;)
     

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