What do you think about this Top Secret NSA slide?

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  1. Hieveryone macrumors 68020

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    It bothers me a lot. It's from Wikipedia.
     

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  2. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Hey, that is classified, you better not get caught posting it on the internet!
     
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    Everything on Wikipedia is Classified. Only a select few can access that Super Secret Site!:eek:

    ;):D
     
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    It says we live in a police state.
     
  6. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I think it's outrageous :mad: What happened the the Constitution? How can the US government violate and get away?
     
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    PBS Frontline is running a great 2 part series on this. I think it is so far the most in depth look.
     
  8. lannister80 macrumors 6502

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    It doesn't. It only applies to non-US citizens. Like, for real.

    Source: Family member works there.
     
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    If you are serious, how does the system distinguish between citizens and non-citizens?
     
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    After I saw this image, I thought this thread was a necro from like a year ago.
     
  11. lannister80 macrumors 6502

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    Yes, actually I am serious.

    To answer your question, I have no idea. But I have been told by said family member a million times that they very consciously avoid collecting ANY data on US citizens, and if they did collect any and discover it, it's purged, like immediately.

    They have this drilled into their heads CONSTANTLY during training.

    I'm hunting through my email archives to find some discussions I've had with him about the NSA and privacy issues, having trouble finding them, but I'll post them when I do.

    He's a GS-15 (or maybe SES now?) high up in the Cyber Defense area.
     
  12. kilcher macrumors 65816

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    I think the same thing I thought when those slides hit the news a year ago.
     
  13. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68020

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    How do we know he is telling the truth? The NSA has lied before and they are probably lying again to save face. I don't trust the NSA nor should you.
     
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    He's a very close family member. We've had long conversations about it. Several of my friends from grad school also work there, and I hear the same from them (although we hardly ever talk about it).

    Hell, I almost went to work there as well about 10 years ago (right out of grad school), but chose a different agency (NSF OIG). I had a pot arrest (but no conviction) on my record and was a bit concerned about getting the super-duper-duper security clearance, and NSF OIG only required a Secret clearance.
     
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    The NSA company line is to tell you they are not spying on you. That sir is a lie. You need to find better friends and family.
     
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    What does the NSF-OIG do?
     
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    That is a complete load of crap, and I don't believe for a second that the NSA only spies on non-citizens.

    Agreed.

    Agreed.
     
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    Standard Executive Agency OIG (Office of Inspector General).

    Uncover/stop waste, fraud, abuse within the agency. Although since the primary mission of NSF is to give away $ to universities to do scientific research, most of the time we were auditing/prosecuting universities/people who worked there, not people who actually worked at NSF (although we did that, too).

    http://www.nsf.gov/oig/mandv.jsp

    When I worked there, we got back more than 4x our annual budget in recovered funds each year.

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    Why? That's what the FBI is for.
     
  20. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Watch the link I posted for your answers.
     
  21. lannister80 macrumors 6502

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    As you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, I'll let that slide.
     
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    Really? As of right now you are the one that doesn't seem to have a clue.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/ watch it. It explains how the NSA broke the law, and continues to do so today.
     
  23. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Really, we are supposed to take the word of an anonymous poster who has a "close family member" that works for the agency in question?

    If SouthernDad had a source like this for something would you believe him? :rolleyes:
     
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    EDIT: Unsure if this counts as proof. I have his card in my wallet, I forgot about that!

    [​IMG]

    But he and I both went through this program and the vast majority of the graduates go to either NSA or FBI (FBI for forensics, NSA for cyber defense/crypto):

    https://www.sfs.opm.gov/

    I'll take a picture of my CyberCorp tshirt in my closet when I get home. :)

    That's how I got my 100% free-of-charge MS in CompSci (and a living stipend, too, so I didn't have to work, could go to school full time and knock out my MS in 3 semesters).

    He also did a "rotation" at the White House OSTP (Office of Science and Technology Policy) during the later Bush years, which is how I got my sweet sweet West Wing tour.
     
  25. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Proof that you know a person that works there and proof that they are telling you the truth are different. Why would a person who's job is to spy tell you so? That would go against the job description. So in reality you don't know anything about what the NSA does. And for you to claim to know what a agency that has been caught lying to tell you the truth is laughable.
     

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