What do you want for Fitzmas?

atszyman

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Kept hearing yesterday being referred to as Fitzmas Eve on the radio last night. So I thought it might be interesting to see what people think/hope will happen today if Fitzgerald starts with indictments?

It's almost certain that Rove and Libby are going to get indicted for something. I would love to see it get up to Cheney. As for the unlikely it would be very nice to see it get to Cheney and also pull in Rumsfeld with some smoking gun conspiracy evidence. I wouldn't mind seeing it somehow pushing for impeachment but am a bit scared of who might end up leading if Bush and Cheney both get booted.
 

mactastic

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Five gooooolden indictments,
Four singing canaries,
Three different charges,
Two resignations
And a pardon in a pear tree.
 

Thomas Veil

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:p Good one, mactastic.

Ideally, I want to see Libby, Rove and Cheney indicted. Libby, I understand, may have cooperated with Fitzgerald's office and would probably earn a reduced charge.

I'd love it if Bush came under scrutiny too. (Lots of people are asking, how could Bush have not been involved when he's in such close daily contact with Rove?)
 

mactastic

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Thomas Veil said:
:p Good one, mactastic.

Ideally, I want to see Libby, Rove and Cheney indicted. Libby, I understand, may have cooperated with Fitzgerald's office and would probably earn a reduced charge.

I'd love it if Bush came under scrutiny too. (Lots of people are asking, how could Bush have not been involved when he's in such close daily contact with Rove?)
Well I wouldn't count on Cheney being indicted. Unless there is some serious coroboration that Cheney gave Plame's name to Libby with instructions to disseminate it publicly I haven't seem much else that would earn Cheney an indictment. Unless he perjured himself in front of Fitzgerald, but that's not really clear.

I also wouldn't count on Libby getting off easy. He appears to be the lynchpin in this whole affair, being Rove's source and all.

What is important however, is that Cheney and Bush both lied to the American people. That much is obvious. And after all the years the GOP spent convincing people that lying is a Very Serious Thing, they now have to go back and convince all the faithful that lying really isn't so serious after all.
 

katchow

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atszyman said:
It's almost certain that Rove and Libby are going to get indicted for something.
It is? I've heard it said in the same breath as "Fitz holds his cards very close to his chest".

I just don't want to be dissapointed when Santa doesn't deliver.
 

zimv20

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deck the halls w/ fitz indictments
ro ro ro ro ro ro ro ro rove
wall street could do with some excitement
ro ro ro ro ro ro ro ro rove
line 'em up in the rose garden
ro ro ro ro ro ro ro ro rove
so that bush can issue pardons
ro ro ro ro ro ro ro ro rove
 

3rdpath

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I'm thinking Libby is a sure bet with Rove being almost a sure thing. Cheney's gonna be harder to prove so he'll probably just be publically admonished during the trials for being the sleaze that he is.

If this was really a Fitzmas come true, I'd see Novak and Miller indicted for being malicious scumsucking pawns of the GOP.

And they'd all be shipped off to Abu Ghraib...it's gotta be a nice place now that those bad apples are gone...:rolleyes:
 

zimv20

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you better watch out
you always deny
you're under oath and better not lie
patrick fitzgerald is coming to town

he's making a list to see who's involved
the plame leak case won't go unsolved
patrick fitzgerald is coming to town

he knows when you made phone calls
he's looking at your notes
he's done a thousand interviews
and recorded all the quotes

so you better watch out
you better not lie
you'll be indicted in a blink of the eye
patrick fitzgerald is coming to town

patrick fitzgerald is coming to town
 

IJ Reilly

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You guys are such a bunch of lyrical fools. ;)

Okay, I can't resist...

Cheney bails, Cheney bails
It's Fitzmas time in the city
Ding-a-lings, hear them sing
Soon it will be Fitzmas Day

City jail cells, busy jail cells
Dressed in prison style
In the air
There's a feeling of Fitzmas

Dems are laughing
Rove is passing
Answering charge after charge
And on every blog you will hear

Cheney bails, Cheney bails
It's Fitzmas time in the city
Ding-a-lings, hear them sing
Soon it will be Fitzmas Day
 

atszyman

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katchow said:
It is? I've heard it said in the same breath as "Fitz holds his cards very close to his chest".

I just don't want to be dissapointed when Santa doesn't deliver.
I could be completely wrong about it, but I'm fairly confident that they will be indicted on perjury or obstruction charges if nothing else.

hmmm.... based on the thread response so far maybe we should start marketing a Fitzmas Carol album. We could get Katie to play viola.... might even help with the funds for her Vienna trip :D
 

atszyman

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IJ Reilly said:
All three of us two, I believe.
I assumed it was the lyricists in the thread, which at last count we had three with 4 different carols. Two more and we can start side A of the album....
 

Thomas Veil

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Okay, let me try my hand at this:

Arrest these crooked gentlemen
Let nothing you delay.
Remember they're the traitors
Who outed Valerie Plame.
And now they're in a panic
Wanting to avoid the blame.
O tidings of firings and jail,
Firing and jail.
O tidings of firings and jail!


:D
 

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My kid can play clarinet on the album. He's not very good yet, and his reed is cracked, but it would be good experience for him. :)
 

StarbucksSam

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Thomas Veil said:
:p Good one, mactastic.

Ideally, I want to see Libby, Rove and Cheney indicted. Libby, I understand, may have cooperated with Fitzgerald's office and would probably earn a reduced charge.

I'd love it if Bush came under scrutiny too. (Lots of people are asking, how could Bush have not been involved when he's in such close daily contact with Rove?)
Amen. Like, really. I'd love to see the "Republican Machine" crumble. I can't wait to hear Santorum's speech about how this is the start of us being "damned to hell" and the fall of "family values".

Cheney the red faced liar
Told a very sorry tale
And if you ever heard it
You would even think so too

Fitzgerald will go get him
And Ro-o-ve and Lib-by
Thi-i-s is quite a scandal
Poor Val-er-ie Plame!

On one cloudy Thursday night
Fitzy's gonna say
Karl with your nose so long
Won't you make my license plate

Then all the people loved him
And they shouted out with glee
Fitzy the honest lawyer
You'll go down in history!
 

patrick0brien

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According to the way the law is written, it is illegal to "Intentionally" release the identity of an active undercover operative.

I'm worried that that wording is the loophole these guys need to wiggle out from this. I do personally believe that Plame was outed in political retaliation, but we've all seen this administration's knack for sneakyness.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.
 

atszyman

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patrick0brien said:
According to the way the law is written, it is illegal to "Intentionally" release the identity of an active undercover operative.

I'm worried that that wording is the loophole these guys need to wiggle out from this. I do personally believe that Plame was outed in political retaliation, but we've all seen this administration's knack for sneakyness.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.
And that's exactly the loophole they will use to avoid that sticky law. If indeed Libby learned of Wilson's (she prefers to go by her married name if I recall correctly the media latched onto her maiden name) status from Cheney, that is entirely legal since both have the necessary clearance. If Cheney forgot to mention that she's undercover then Libby mentions it to the press, Libby did not do it knowingly and he and Cheney get off scott free. This really does suck since if this is the course of events then I'm sure that there was a wink, wink, nudge, nudge associated with the whole mess to achieve the desired results. The only problem is trying to prove that everything was done intentionally, which is not likely to happen.