What Donald Trump understands about conservatism

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  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    Interesting piece by Ezra Klein in Vox. I don’t agree with his definition of conservatism but he does nail Trump and his supporters to a T. I always thought his slogan Make America Great Again was a big tell. In the mind of Trump supporters America isn’t great and only Trump can make it great again. Of course it can never actually be great under Trump because his whole shtick is centered around having a constant enemy that he’s fighting against on behalf of so-called forgotten men and women. The struggle will never end because if it did there would be no reason for Trump to exist.

    https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/po...p-conservative-cpac?__twitter_impression=true

    In her book Political Tribes, Yale Law professor Amy Chua argues that America is entering an extended period of political instability, driven by demographic change that leaves no group comfortably empowered and all groups afraid of losing what status they hold:

    We find ourselves in an unprecedented moment of pervasive tribal anxiety. For two hundred years, whites in America represented an undisputed politically, economically, and culturally dominant majority. When a political tribe is so overwhelmingly dominant, it can persecute with impunity, but it can also be more generous. It can afford to be more universalist, more enlightened, more inclusive, like the WASP elites of the 1960s who opened up the Ivy League colleges to more Jews, blacks, and other minorities — in part because it seemed like the right thing to do.

    Today, no group in America feels comfortably dominant. Every group feels attacked, pitted against other groups not just for jobs and spoils but for the right to define the nation’s identity. In these conditions, democracy devolves into zero-sum group competition — pure political tribalism.

    We’re in an era where the core conflict between conservatism and liberalism is between a whiter, older, and more male coalition trying to hold onto its power against a younger, more diverse, and more female coalition that is nearing a durable political majority for the first time. This isn’t a clash over any one policy, but over political, cultural, and economic power going forward.


    Trump viscerally understands contemporary politics in those terms and connects to his coalition on that level. And this is why Trump’s form of conservatism triumphed over the visions offered by his establishment Republican challengers. What the conservative base feels is being lost has nothing to do with tax rates or regulations. It’s a cultural war, and Trump, unlike many other Republican politicians, is willing to fight it.
     
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    In summary: Trump cares more about the cultural survival of Rich White Republicans…. than he cares about the survival of the American nation. Got it!
     
  3. samcraig macrumors P6

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    This still implies Trump has a plan or thinks logically. Right? Because if that's an assertion, it's wrong.
     
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    Not really. It merely implies that Trump's mentality is still stuck to an outdated dogma….. a tribal viewpoint (us-vs-them) that dates back to the the 1950s pre-Civil Rights era.
     
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    Just to show how pathetic we the people are..

    If you go to the graph it show the exact opposite for democrats we should all be embarrassed
     
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    I think his mentality is more rooted in the 80's. Recall what Lee Atwater did for the GOP. When you can't argue policy, you must destroy the character of the person. Little Marco Rubio. Nasty Woman. See?
     
  7. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    Because Liberals & Democrats don’t demonize? Give me a break. It was Hillary Clinton who called Trump supporters “deplorables” and Barack Obama who mocked people that he said clinged to their guns & religion. Donald Trump is so good at it because in his heart he’s really a Liberal.
     
  8. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Technically only half of Trump supporters.
     
  9. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    A technicality always & intentionally ignored for what? To demonize.
     
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    History is littered with the "constant enemy" to stand up against. Trump didn't invent it nor will he be the last one to use it. MAGA was in regards to the recent "pussification" of America - political correctness, limp dick foreign policy, and equality of outcome.
     
  11. TonyC28 macrumors 65816

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    One word sticks out in all that to me: establishment. Back before Russians and collusion, there were other reasons Trump was gaining popularity. And not being part of the establishment was a huge one. Being the total opposite of the PC culture was another.
     
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    Did you notice that instead of criticizing the GOP the knee-jerk reaction is “what about them”?

    When they act like Lee Atwater, they ask what about Hillary! It’s not without irony that Atwater died of brain cancer.
     

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