What is a good alternative to handbrake that wont make Cave Man cry?

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by Kurfer, Jul 2, 2008.

  1. Kurfer macrumors regular


    Mar 13, 2008
    I have a large handful of DVD's for handbrake that wont rip.

    The Royal Tenenbaums, crashes handbrake both from DVD and from RIP. Wont even load.

    LOTR - Return of the King, gets to about 75% and Handbrake dies.

    I am using the latest version, I have tried VisualHub 1.33a but trying to get 5.1 +2.0 just doesn't freaking work properly.

    I watch movies from both a 2.0 source and in my theater room at 5.1, VisualHub can't get both at the same time for me.

    Any other good apple tv encoding software out there?
  2. Cave Man macrumors 604

    Cave Man

    Sounds like a problem with your system, not Handbrake. I've done all six LotR DVDs with Handbrake in 2-pass AC3/AAC H.264 without any problem at all. What ripping software are you using?
  3. Kurfer thread starter macrumors regular


    Mar 13, 2008
    Mac the ripper, I've seen other forums complain too. It might be that I have a different DVD than you. What version are you ripping? The single disc version?

    I've tried it on my mac mini, mac pro and macbook pro. Thanks for the quick reply but i'm gonna have to say nuh uh. :)
  4. Cave Man macrumors 604

    Cave Man

    No, extended versions, region 1. Sometimes MTR is not all that reliable. I've had to pass ripped DVDs through DTOX before they're ready for Handbrake. More reliable for me has been DVDFab under Windows (using VMWare Fusion on my Mac). MTR just isn't the greatest ripper available.

    OK, then keep doin' what your doin'. But I'm telling you, it's not Handbrake that's causing your problems. I have more than 900 gb of videos served up to my ATV from DVDs, so I think I've been around the block once or twice. ;)
  5. Kurfer thread starter macrumors regular


    Mar 13, 2008
    Rip Royal Tenenbaums and tell me if it works :(
  6. smurfjammer macrumors 6502a


    Jun 7, 2004
    Auckland, New Zealand
    What version of Mac the Ripper are you using and what Mac OS?
  7. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    In the case of Handbrake, if you have any complaints about crashes: Why don't you download the source code, compile it and find what the problem is? As a very first step, instead of moaning, you could do something that is actually helpful and write down exactly what you are doing, check that it is reproducible, and send everything together with your DVDs to one of the maintainers of the program so that they can fix it.
  8. Indohottie macrumors 6502


    Mar 1, 2004
    I was having a similar problem with handbrake.. just redownload it and install.. it fixed my issue.
  9. Cave Man macrumors 604

    Cave Man

    Sorry, don't have it. Good luck isolating your problem.
  10. aloofman macrumors 68020


    Dec 17, 2002
    I also had a lot of trouble with Handbrake on my Mac Mini at home, although I've had no problems using it on other machines, and plenty of others love it. At home I use Visual Hub, which works great, although it isn't free. I never knew why HB wouldn't work for me, but I haven't lost much sleep over it.
  11. gadabout macrumors member

    Sep 15, 2007
    for the record, i have ripped all of those dvds with handbrake without issue. but sometimes random dvds will have problems with one program or another. sometimes without reason.
  12. omni macrumors 6502

    Jan 20, 2008
    I ripped Royal Tenenbaums with no problem. Been a while so I'm trying to remember what I did - pretty sure it was Fairmount/DTOX combo.

    See here for more information if you aren't familiar with that combo.

    I have personally done over 1000 tv shows and 50'ish movies with Handbrake and never had a problem (aside from the memory leak in 0.9.2). I use the snapshot builds these days as I find them more stable oddly enough.

    Oh and I just did the extended versions (all 3) of LotR with handbrake like a week ago. Again - did fairmount/dtox and combined them into 1 file with no issues what so ever.

    And yeah - I could never get visualhub 5.1 + 2.0 thing to really work either (only tried it with .mkv's though which I'm on the verge of just completely giving up on altogether though).
  13. marklight macrumors 6502

    Apr 6, 2006
    If I have something that wont work with handbrake (causes it to crash), I'll use mactheripper to get the Video_TS folder on to my drive. Then I'll use Mpeg Streamclip, to combine the .VOB files all into one file. Then I'll take that file into visualhub and use the apple TV 2.0+5.1 setting. This works well. Only thing is that you get a .mov file which can't hold all the meta data that .m4v can.
  14. Billy Boo Bob macrumors 6502

    Billy Boo Bob

    Jun 6, 2005
    Dark Side Of The Moon
    Love that FairMount

    I've been using FairMount to mount the DVD, then copying the whole DVD to my HD first. That way, if the DVD has the PITA "bad sector" protection, it will "eventually" copy the whole thing... Might take a few hours if they really load it down with bad sectors, but I do eventually end up with a good VIDEO_TS folder to run through HandBrake if that's the case. And with or without the bad sectors I can still just use that HD version for re-rips if necessary (or use that as the source for DVDRemaster or whatever else to bring a dual-layer down to single layer).

    Perhaps your DVD has the "bad sector" protection and HB is just puking when it hits them. I forget what happens that way since I've been using FairMount for some many months now.
  15. DeuceDeuce macrumors 6502a


    Aug 8, 2007
    San Dimas, CA
    I had to use Mac The Ripper first then use Handbrake for my copy of The Royal Tenenbaums.
  16. Cave Man macrumors 604

    Cave Man

    So, it turns out that Handbrake isn't "too buggy" after all, and that the OP either has bad/dirty DVDs, bad DVD drive, or just can't get the job done. :rolleyes:
  17. Kurfer thread starter macrumors regular


    Mar 13, 2008
    You're really offended that I can't rip the movies. I actually got it to rip with a program other than handbrake just fine. That blows your silly little "bad drive" theory out the window. I asked for an alternative and you came running to the thread with your self righteous banter about how it's "my setup". I already told you I tried it with three mac setups I have running in my house. That is three different drives...I also used my in-laws copy of the movie and it did the same thing. Visualhub ended up working...

    Thanks to the everyone else for the real replies, for those of you who used mac the ripper + handbrake; did you by chance have the special edition Royal Tenenbaums DVD?
  18. rw3 macrumors 6502a


    May 13, 2008
    DFW, TX
  19. ihabime macrumors 6502

    Jan 12, 2005
    The hackles did come up pretty quickly, didn't they. I guess people take their DVD ripping pretty seriously around here...
  20. Cave Man macrumors 604

    Cave Man

    You started this by your inflammatory title, which is now just silly and immature (are you out of your teens yet?). Had you simply said that you were having problem, instead of claiming that handbrake was "too buggy", then you'd have been just fine.

    Clearly, the DVDs that you have can be successfully ripped with Handbrake; everyone knows that. So Handbrake isn't the problem. I've used MTR enough to know it has problems with some encoding schemes and that many drives from Apple have problems with rips as well. I could not rip a few DVDs with my MBP, but with my iBook G4 they ripped just fine. Same problem with my iMac. However, my hackintosh drive (Samsung) has ripped every disc that I've tried.

    Evidently, you don't know what you're doing, newb.
  21. ironjaw macrumors 6502

    May 23, 2006
    Cold Copenhagen
    Cave Man: Just leave it, there is no point wasting your time on Kurfer :D
  22. Kurfer thread starter macrumors regular


    Mar 13, 2008
    Jesus H Christ on a bloody stick! I the last time I got this much slack was when I mentioned middle class and below shouldn't be allowed to vote on some political forum for blue collars. :)
  23. ironjaw macrumors 6502

    May 23, 2006
    Cold Copenhagen
    Oh come on Kurfer :D

    After I saw your Home theatre setup, and started drooling I think you can take a bit criticism :D
  24. michaelsaxon macrumors 6502

    Nov 15, 2006
    Mac the Ripper works for me when Handbrake doesn't.
  25. dynaflash macrumors 68020

    Mar 27, 2003
    Um, I assume you mean for the actual ripping process as MTR will not convert your source to work on the atv.

    While HB's actual ripping ( reading of protected sources ) capabilities are limited to say the least ( we *always* recommend pre-ripping ) frankly its encoding to the AppleTV is pretty much the gold standard right now as it's the only encoder (outside of apple) that can do AC3 DD in an mp4 ( kudos to eddyg on that one ) .

    Seriously, realize that HB is not concentrated as much on ripping ( there are many options for that task already out there that do it much better ) but more on video encoding. As an example, be prepared to have to have VLC in the next release of HB as it will need it to read commercial dvd's. Oh, and those .mkv's you guys have been downloading on the internet and cannot play on your atv ? Not so much an issue after the next HB release ;)

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