What is the backstop against Trump's impulsive use of nukes?

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  1. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    The Washington Post has a fairly depressing article out today, talking about the authorization for use of nuclear force in the United States. The bottom line is a grim one:

    The dueling threats issued by President Trump and the North Korean military have prompted questions about U.S. procedures to launch a preemptive nuclear attack. The answer is stark: If the president wants to strike, his senior military advisers have few options but to carry it out or resign.
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    A December 2016 assessment by the Congressional Research Service stated that the president “does not need the concurrence of either his military advisors or the U.S. Congress to order the launch of nuclear weapons.” Additionally, the assessment said, “neither the military nor Congress can overrule these orders.”​

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ave-few-other-options/?utm_term=.696c667919b8

    So. Are there any options at all available to stop a crazy President from unleashing nuclear "fire and fury"?
     
  2. oneMadRssn macrumors 68040

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    Great. So the only things holding us back from peace right now is a deranged lunatic wielding nuclear weapons, and Kim Jong-un.
     
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    Not that I'm condoning such action, but Secret Service can take a day off if Trump decides go General Jack D Ripper. If it means preventing a nuclear holocaust, the life of one US President is a bargain.
     
  4. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O

    Never in my life did I think I would be seeing people defend NK over the US.
     
  5. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Who is defending NK?
     
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    did you know that NK is the one actually firing missiles out there and making threats? it's not like Trump decided to just pick on poor NK o_Oo_Oo_O
     
  7. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    Defending Crazy, Fat Kid? Never.:mad::mad::mad:

    But I'd rather not be blown back into the stone ages by nuclear retaliation. China and Russian ain't gonna sit twiddling their thumbs if Trump decides, to quote Gen Jack D Ripper (Dr Strangelove): "war was too important to be left to the generals."

    One carrier group has more than enough firepower to wipe out NK 3x over. No need for nukes.
     
  8. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Did you miss the post I quoted that not so subtlety called for an assassination of an American President?
     
  9. Gutwrench macrumors 65816

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    People are more concerned with what Trump tweets rather than what NK is actually doing.
     
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    They have a military budget smaller than the city of NY's police Dept

    They were caught photoshopping their rocket heads

    Their tests were terrible failures

    America carpet bombed that country in the 50s and targeted civilians

     
  11. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Again I ask - who is defending NK.
     
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    No, they're defending having a nuclear war vs not having a nuclear war.

    I mean, putting someone with ZERO political experience (not even a city level) and ego issues to deal with geopolitical equilibriums... what did you think would happen? You voted for a walking meme, now you own it. He was a reality show host, who fake wrestled other reality show hosts, had trophy wives, inherited (NOT earned) his fortune, had a history of failing businesses, dodged being drafted... what did you expect? You, like many others, wanted to believe the lies he told you, because they're easier to swallow than the truth, but it was just a matter of time before **** started hitting the many fans a president has to deal with. Well played.

    How's that wall going by the way? By the time it's commissioned -now six months in and hasn't started yet- it'll take a loooong time to get built, more than what he has left in the office, and anybody after him will stop its construction, so... what's half a wall good for?
     
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    [​IMG]
    You're serious.
     
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    Maybe, just maybe, it's time for Trump to put on his big boy pants and stop acting like a child when he tweets.

    Surely to god a business man in his 70s is able to speak (or tweet) like an adult?
     
  15. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Wow, what a straw man here..

    In no post whatsoever are you seeing anyone defend the DPRK against the US. The straw man argument and hyperbole in this is really stretching.

    What they are saying is that there doesn't seem to be an option to stop Trump from launching nuclear weapons. That does not mean they are defending the DPRK.

    With that said, there are some options on this.
    1. The Speaker of the House could call the House back into session, As well as the Senate Majority Leader or President Pro Tempore.
    2. Both chambers author and pass a bill revoking all authorizations under the AUMF (I believe a bill like this has already been proposed and legislated, let alone has bipartisan support.
    3. Both chambers pass such a bill, putting it on the POTUS desk. POTUS either signs it or vetoes.
    4. If the POTUS vetoes, it, Congress overrides the veto.
    With that done, Trump would have to go to Congress to get approval for any AUMF, including any pre-emptive nuclear strike. Anything else could cause his military to resign en masse, let alone disobey the order because they swore an oath to defend the Constitution, not follow orders blindly (that is a grey line, given UCMJ).

    But to say that there is absolutely nothing that can be done is wrong, and again, no-one is defending DPRK. IF anything, Trump is enabling the brat and its bratty behavior by paying attention to the brat.

    BL.
     
  16. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Except other than some harsh words Trump hasn't been the one to mention nuking anyone. I keep forgetting though that we're supposed to be singing Kumbaya instead of ignoring the 60 years of belligerence, appeasement repeating cycles.
     
  17. jpietrzak8 thread starter macrumors 65816

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    And? What NK is actually doing is what NK has been doing for months. For years. For decades.

    NK is a known quantity. They bluster and they provoke, but they always see their military posturing as a means to an end, never as an end in and of itself. There have even been events over the last few years which have lead to loss of life on the South Korean side, but North Korea has always backed down again and avoided full-scale combat.

    Trump, on the other hand, is a 12-year-old bully in a 71-year-old man's skin, who before now has never spent more than five minutes thinking about foreign affairs, and who just happens to have an enormous nuclear arsenal at his beck and call.

    People should be more concerned with Trump than with North Korea. Trump can do a whole heck of a lot more damage than they can.
     
  18. samcraig macrumors P6

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    I am. Because no one defended NK. You do know what a straw man is, right?
     
  19. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not even surprised that people are so ignorant in their hatred that they can't see that openingly calling for the assassination of a US President would undermine the safety and security of the United States and its people.
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    Please define for the forum what do you call hoping for the assassination of an American President?
     
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    Even China isn't defending NK and basically said if they strike the waters of Guam they are on their own, but the US liberals are siding with NK? Lol
     
  21. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Trump is literally Hitler.
     
  22. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Silly. But it's not the same as defending NK. Do you understand that they are not equivalent statements?
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    Who is siding with NK?

    No - he can't literally be Hitler. Only Hitler can LITERALLY be Hitler.
     
  23. juanm, Aug 11, 2017
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    You're wrong (or lying). A couple of days ago he tweeted: “My first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal" “It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before. Hopefully we will never have to use this power, but there will never be a time that we are not the most powerful nation in the world!”
    FIRST ORDER: MORE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Let that sink in. Good thing the warmonger lost...right? Right?
     
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    You do realize that updated and moderinzing =/= to more correct?
     
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    Donald Trump isn't stupid, no matter how much he's fooled you into believing the contrary.
     

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