What Say You?.... a discussion

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    It is pretty amazing that the Heritage Foundation holds up Hong Kong and Singapore as models of the "freedom" in the world. I am not surprised that Right-wingers would like us to be more like them. After all, Right-wingers despise what a liberal democracy stands for.
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    Of course it is. The Heritage Foundation is a Right-wing "think tank" co-founded by Paul Weyrch. They fully support the suppression of democracy in favor of more "economic freedom".

     
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    Got a link to that whole speech?

    Though taking it on face value, I find it weird that that some of middle-class America supports them. Now I could understand why they would do it. They're big business leaders pandering to their own interests. Anyone would do that in their position. But your average voter? Their interests run afoul of corporate interests, and they sell themselves short by supporting them wholeheartedly.

    The American economy is founded on the theory that everyone compromises both for their own interests, and the interests of others. No one should be allowed to take all, and no one should be expected to give all. Giving up our own wellbeing for the sake of someone else's expanded economic freedoms is antithetical to this idea.

    ...so why does anyone who has less than a million dollars in the bank support the Heritage Foundation?
     
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    No, I don't. Just the good part.

    People in the U.S. don't understand words very well. It's not that they are illiterate, more, they are inarticulate and lack an intellectual curiosity that is necessary to crack the code. We live in a country where Liberal = Leftist and center-Right politicians like Barack Obama are "socialist". "Economic Freedom" is something everybody wants, right?
     
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    In a more neutral setting, a'la the 50's, economic freedom is something that's good for everyone (to a point, no one should be allowed to poison water supplies to save a buck on disposals). But once you start throwing conglomerates into the mix, who have enough money and influence to game the market for their sole benefit, it becomes more an issue of "freedom for me, but not for thee".
     
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    Well...in the 1950's economic freedom was still something that applied primarily to the White, Christian male. Let's not pretend that it meant something functionally all that different back then. It would still be obscuring the lived reality of many people.
     
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    America's Economic Freedom index fell .8, dropping us from #10 in the world to #11.

    But before anybody panics ... and I know how much everybody loves to panic ... #1 Hong Kong's index fell 1 point. #2 Singapore dropped 1.6 points (twice as much tyranny as the U.S. apparently). #5 Australia dropped 1.1. #6 Canada dropped 1.1.

    I don't know how the world keeps spinning with these declines that are even more rapid than the one noted for the U.S. But one thing is clear from these numbers ... Obama's evil tyrannical grip is being felt around the globe!

    Thanks Obama.
     
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    To get crass for a second, it still applied to the majority. The average person during the boom days was more likely to be self employed, had far more savings in the bank, and made a better income by percentage.

    The secret is to take the 50's model of our economy and break it out of its previous racially oriented mold, remove the social baggage from it, in other words. The market back then was more decentralized and free flowing, not tied to an ever expanding corporate center like it is today.
     
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    Yeah, I understand where you were going with the comment, just trying to bring it back to earth.

    It wasn't just racial. Women were locked out of most areas of the economy as well. Last I checked, females tend to outnumber males, statistically. Economic freedom didn't really exist for a majority. But I understand and mostly agree with where you are going.
     
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    "According to the 2016 Index of Economic Freedom, an annual publication by The Heritage Foundation,..." = Derp.
     
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    Having spent Trillions of Dollars like a Drunken Sailor. Potus has no conscious, driving the US economy to brink of disaster, his head remains buried in the sand... :eek:
     
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    Obama is in a coma?! I'd better turn on the news.
     

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