What The World Thinks - If Anybody Cares...

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by skunk, Feb 28, 2006.

  1. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan

    Poll results in detail (2.6Mb):
  2. 3rdpath macrumors 68000


    Jan 7, 2002
    2nd star on the right and straight till morning
    we just don't care..we don't have to.

    when while the godless heathens of the world realize that we're spreading freedom-one smartbomb at a time. and if we have to attack every family gathering and wedding reception in iraq, we'll do it.

    americans don't make mistakes. we never have doubts.

    democracy is on the ( lockstep) march!
  3. XNine macrumors 68040


    Apr 7, 2005
    Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
    Damn straight! As a nation founded under God, indevisible, with liberty, and justice for all, we will destroy the efforts of these freedom haters!

    It figures. Dubbaya has made us the most hated place in the world. Before us? Antartica. Yeah... no one likes those damn penguins, thinking they're all smart and savvy. :mad:
  4. tristan macrumors 6502a

    Jul 19, 2003
    high-rise in beautiful bethesda
    The Iraqi poll is very important, if its accurate. We don't want to be defending a country that doesn't want us there, or even a town that doesn't want us there. Right now its at 50-50, which is a pretty big split.
  5. blackfox macrumors 65816


    Feb 18, 2003
    Understandable logic. What happens, however, if they don't want anyone to be there, yet it is perfectly obvious that someone will be?

    Though not a direct comparison, in Afghanistan - many people do not go beyond tribal loyalty - they couldn't give a whit about Afghanistan. Yet, to many Afghanistan is very important indeed.

    Iraq is arguably more important to those same parties. It may not have National-level loyalties either. This leads to (at least) two questions:

    1. Is it worth the effort to be a relatively benign presence, however thankless, to forstall a less benign one?

    2. Is altruism strategic? How do the best interests of the US and of the Iraqis (or factions thereof) interact/dovetail?
  6. skunk thread starter macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    Leave them to work it out. If someone else jumps in, they'll have the same problems, and we can then be thankful it's not us who are making the situation worse. The schadenfreude will be on the other foot, as it were.

    Define "benign".

    Don't think George's motives were altruistic. You don't express altruism towards a people by raining bombs on their cities from 50,000 feet.

    When it comes down to it, the US is a bull and Iraq is a china shop. The only sensible thing to do is hoof it out of there toot-sweet without breaking too many things on the way.

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