Whataburger takes stand against Texas

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, Jul 13, 2015.

  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    http://news.yahoo.com/whataburger-takes-stand-against-texas-open-carry-law-153658659.html
    his business/his problem, hope it works out for him
     
  2. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    Really don't see the need to have a lethal weapon on your belt.
     
  3. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    well, some carry on their ankles, mine is on my belt but it is concealed.
     
  4. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    Why tho?
     
  5. Mr. Buzzcut macrumors 65816

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    It's irrational fear, really. What you don't see is much more dangerous. Plus, how do these people know the person with the weapon is not police, federal agent, etc.? Even if they were uniformed, does that automatically make them safe with their exposed weaponry?
     
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    jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I have my own reasons, but let me remind you that R[​IMG] IGHTS do NOT need to be justified.
     
  7. bradl macrumors 68040

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    If that were the case, then you should be against every VoterID law passed in the United States. After all, they violate the Voter Rights Act of 1964 as well as the 15th Amendment. After all, those who were disenfranchised shouldn't have been disenfranchised at all, because as you put it, their "RIGHTS do NOT need to be justified."

    Would you go on record in agreeing?

    BL.
     
  8. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    sure, would you then agree that since the 2nd is a right, I DON'T have to show I.D. either to exercise it?.
     
  9. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Does the 2A generate a burden on other people? Disenfranchising a minority's voter rights do, while carrying a gun doesn't.

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  10. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    you need I.D to exercise some rights, you don't want just anyone voting just like you don't want just anyone exercising the 2nd. voting wise if state wants someone to I.D. themselves then said I.D should be free of charge.
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  11. Robisan macrumors 6502

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    No. 2nd says you have a "well-regulated" right. Surely identifying yourself falls within that parameter.
     
  12. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    er, this is the 2nd.
     
  13. bradl macrumors 68040

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    I think you answered your own question.

    And this reinforces that answer.

    BL.
     
  14. TheAppleFairy macrumors 68020

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    No it says in order to have a well regulated militia the people have a right to bear arms. It doesn't say only a militia has a right to arms.

    It clearly states the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
     
  15. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    they don't get it .
     
  16. TheAppleFairy macrumors 68020

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    I think they get it, but they don't like it.
     
  17. lowendlinux Contributor

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    I think it's much ado over nothing minds are not being changed no matter.
     
  18. bradl macrumors 68040

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    It also clearly states that that right is WELL REGULATED. In fact, this was upheld by District of Columbia v. Heller:

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller#Supreme_Court

    Hence, well regulated. So what was this about 'shall not be infringed', when SCOTUS ruled that it is not without regulation?

    either way, the OP was right: his private business.

    BL.
     
  19. shinji macrumors 65816

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    They do not violate the Fifteenth Amendment of the Voter Rights Act of 196[5]. Just because a right doesn't have to be justified, doesn't mean we can't check anyone's ID to make sure they're not committing a crime when purporting to exercise that right.
     
  20. Technarchy macrumors 603

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    I'm not an open carrier. However, a business should have the ability to control activities on grounds they conduct business on. Asking someone to put a shirt over their weapon while dining is in no way infringing on their rights.
     
  21. bradl macrumors 68040

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    I know, and that is exactly my point, especially in regards to being regulated, just like the 2A is. It was the attempt at pointing out the absurdity in the fact that for some people, it is all or nothing - the mindset that Heller completely rebukes.

    BL.
     
  22. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Since concealed carry is both legal in Texas; and permitted by the Whataburger chain in its stores there - I really don't see what the problem is.

    Some restaurants ask their male guests to remove hats and wear a collared shirt. And I don't see the ACLU, the NRA or the New Era baseball cap company making a big stink out of that. What is the difference?

    All this chain is doing is asking gun owners to be respectful of their fellow patrons' wishes not to have deadly weapons visible when taking their kids out for a burger and fries.
     
  23. Mr. Buzzcut macrumors 65816

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    The weapons are only slightly more deadly than the food but that's another thread. The restaurant can do what they want but I'm curious why so much fear. Do people get scared when they take their kids to the sporting goods store? Rifles out in the open. Thousands of rounds of ammo on the shelf. How hard would it be to grab a display, defeat the lock, and load up? If you take guns out of the picture here, you still have immature high school age kids working around natural gas and many gallons of fry oil at 350 degrees F. When was the fire suppression system last inspected? When did they last clean all the grease traps? Is it safe to be in there or is it a death trap?

    And again, who is to say the weapon isn't attached to a law enforcement officer?
     
  24. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    I guess I'd turn that question around, and ask why someone feels it absolutely necessary to not on carry a firearm with them, but have its presence announced to everyone within visual range?

    Like it not, your fellow human beings have a built-in evolutionary response to items that threaten them with imminent death and injury. Which is why they put skull and crossbones icons on minefields and rat poison boxes. A gun worn prominently on someone's hip is threatening pretty much the same thing.
     
  25. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    on the hip? nah. no problems there.
     

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