What's the deal with "independents" who idenitify with Republicans almost 100%?

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  1. iBlazed macrumors 68000

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    So I was talking to this guy in his 70's yesterday, and he claimed himself to be an independent. I think to myself, "great, this can be a nice discussion!". Boy, was I WRONG. A few lines into the conversation, I quickly realized he was far from independent when he started saying things like:
    "If you're liberal you're a socialist"
    "You can't be a capitalist if you consider yourself liberal"
    "Liberal whackjobs"

    Sorry dude, you're not an independent, you have CLEARLY chosen a side. Why don't people with clearly right wing views identify as conservatives? Do they just call themselves independents to drive everyone nuts? And I've noticed this to be on an increase, very rarely do I meet an "independent" who leans liberal. I don't get it.
     
  2. G51989 macrumors 68030

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    I bet he has no problems using medicaid and chasing those SS checks ;)

    He sounds like ones of these types

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    Damn crazy liberals!
     
  3. iBlazed thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I'm not sure if he's on Medicaid but Medicare for sure since he's over 65. However, I do know people on Medicaid who are right wingers, go figure.
     
  4. Don't panic macrumors 603

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    these always crack me up :D
    some people....
     
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    I think it's mostly that Bush and Cheney made the Republican label so toxic that a lot of people don't want it so they claim to be independent even though they still believe everything the Republican Party stands for.
     
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    Ah yes, the joy of conservatism without the GOP label. ;)
     
  7. samiwas macrumors 68000

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    They're essentially saying that they aren't registered to a party, so that they can claim they are "independent". Being independent does not mean that your views are mild and come from both sides. It simply means that you don't admit it.

    For instance, I'm technically independent, as I would never subscribe to a political party. But my views are mostly liberal and Democratic. That's why I always say "I'm mostly liberal" and never "I'm an independent". There are also plenty of "independents" who would make every segment of the economy privatized, remove all regulations, remove minimum wage, end welfare, etc.
     
  8. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    This.

    What happened? The Bush Administration.

    And in the years since, the Republican led House of Representatives and Mitt Romney haven't given conservatives any reason to readopt the label.

    It's a fad ... and a pretty transparent one.

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    Technically I'm registered as a Green Party member. But so long as we have a winner-take-all system, I vote for the most liberal candidate with the best chance of winning.

    That means I vote Democrat.

    Even though I'm not registered Democrat, I'd never call myself "independent".
     
  9. Southern Dad macrumors 68000

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    There are Independents that identify left and there are Independents that identify right. Then there are those in the party that people disagree with. I've even heard Democrats say that the Blue Dog Democrats were really Republicans and I've heard Republicans complain about the RINOs.
     
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    I started out as a Republican, voted for Nixon, was so disgusted with Watergate, that I switched to Independent and have remained so ever since. I've voted for Republicans, Democrats, and one Independent, Jessie Ventura. I started as a moderate, but as I've seen conservatism move right, I may have moved left to counter it. If any Republican tells you moderates are welcome in their party, you can rightfully call them damn liars. They have turned moderates into liberals. :(

    I'm pro-gun, but as gun-rights nuts have gotten nuttier with their desire to return to the Wild West, I have become vocally critical of the movement. I don't believe everyone carrying a gun is good because it represents an abject failure of society.

    Separation of church and state is being undermined, as the conservative religious seek to impose their standards on the rest of us.

    Corporations are granted person status, handing more power to all ready powerful entities.

    As conservatives sense they are losing something, as the country turns into a plutocracy while simultaneously changing from white to beige, they have become toxic towards the ideals the country was founded upon. I don't see myself voting Republican, especially Tea Party anytime soon.

    I know through out our history people have felt that the country is falling apart. I guess I am joining them in that feeling however the most ironic aspect, is that conservatives feel this way too for polar opposite reasons, but I know I'm right and they are wrong. :p
     
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    Simply intellectual dishonesty. And interestingly, mostly directed at themselves.
     
  12. palmerc2 macrumors 68000

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    Can you elaborate on that point? The way I interpreted it is perhaps democrats are fighting for ideals this country was founded upon and conservatives are fighting against them. Or something else?
     
  13. iBlazed thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Nope, I'm pretty sure he means exactly what he wrote unless I'm mistaken. And he would be right.
     
  14. G51989 macrumors 68030

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    Wait...are you saying stripping away our civil rights and starting two un needed wars and robbing the American taxpayer to pay for said wars is toxic?

    Communist!
     
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    1 person = 1 vote. Now corporations/billionaires controlling millions/billions not only get to have a vote, but in essence get many votes by inserting vast amounts of capital into the democratic process corrupting it.

    Separation of Church and State? Slipping away. These two items come from conservatives.
     
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    Why should a label define you? Everyone had their own definition of things, be happy he did not claim to be a republican:p
     
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    Come to California and you will meet plenty.
     
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    That's been my experience as well. A majority of the people at a recent protest called themselves Independents, but agreed with and voted for Republicans while bashing Democrats, especially the President and Nancy Pelosi.
     
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    There are liberals who have no issues calling out the disappointment in the office
     
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    Key phrase there was "while."

    An Independent would have ideological breaks with both parties.

    These Independents did not, instead they fell right in line with current Republican thinking and voted for Republicans.

    I have sharp words for the White House and Democrats on down (the recent immigration debate being the sharpest in the drawer today), but I'm not going to kid myself by saying I'm an Independent.
     
  21. Michael Goff macrumors G5

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    Because Independent makes it sound like you're "thinking through things" and you "vote for who you think is best" as opposed to "vote for anything with an R beside it".
     
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    "Independent" is not the same thing as "moderate."

    Independent, to me, means you haven't affiliated yourself with a political party. It doesn't necessarily mean you don't lean one way or another.
     
  23. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I'd agree with that.

    Independent doesn't mean you have to be a fence-sitting centrist.
     
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    Some people don't want to follow a predetermined platform. I'd say picking and choosing ideas would lead to the best outcome.
     
  25. dime21 macrumors 6502

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    Independent typically means Libertarian. "Minimum government, maximum freedom". You can be a Conservative, but not a Republican. Many folks are. Obviously when it comes time to vote, their views more closely align with Republican candidates.

    Also, it should be a wake-up call to the left, when even folks who don't want to be associated with Republicans think that liberals are whackjobs.
     

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