What's wrong with the Tea Party Movement

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Evangelion, Oct 11, 2010.

  1. Evangelion macrumors 68040

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    The Tea Party rubs me the wrong way, but it took me a while to really come to grips what exactly is it that is wrong with them. It took me a while, but I think that I finally understood what exactly is wrong with the Tea Party.

    1. Their goals are vague and irrational

    So, what exactly ARE the goals of the Tea Party? On the surface it seems to be a bunch of people who are mad as hell. When you look below the surface you see... more anger.

    So what are their goals? Just about the only ones I have seen are "opposition to excessive taxation" and "opposition to government waste". But statistics show that overall taxation in USA has remained more or less flat. So their anger about taxation is misguided and illogical.

    So, what about "government waste"? I assume that means government spending. So, does the Tea Party support cutback in defense-spending? I mean, defense is the biggest consumer of federal funds. And since USA's defense-spending is about half of the total global spending, I think it's safe to say that USA is quite well prepared to defend itself, even with significantly less spending. But for some reason I feel that Tea Party is not prepared to cut back on defense, even though biggest savings could be made there. Yet again, their demands are illogical. Where exactly should those savings be made then?

    2. The rank-and-file Tea Partyers

    There's something seriously wrong with the Tea Party rank-and-file. In short: they are sheep. The Tea Party-leaderships tells them to do something, and they do it. Is there any original thought among Tea Partyers? Why did they vote for that dingbat O'Donnell? Because they were told to do so, and they did.

    3. The movement's rhetoric are lies

    Tea Party leaders and others in the right keep on repeating things are that utter lies. Let's address just two of them:

    No, Obama is not a muslim. Seriously, he's not. There's no evidence that says that he's a muslim. Yet Tea Party and other right-wingers keep on claiming that. In other words, they are repeating a lie. And since Tea Party rank-and-file do what they are told, they believe that Obama is a muslim.

    If Tea Partyers say that "Obama has not proven that he's NOT a muslim!". Well, so what? How do you prove a negative? Glenn Beck has not proven that he's not a pedophile, and Sarah Palin has not proven that she's not a satan-worshipper. Rush Limbaugh has not proven that he's not a traitor and a spy working for the Chinese. Yet we do not go around calling Beck a pedophile, Palin a Satan-worshipper and Limbaugh a traitor.

    No, Obama is not a Marxist (or socialist) either. If he were, USA would look very different from what it does today. You want socialism? Go take a look at former East-Germany. Marxism? Former USSR. Both of those are _very_ different from USA.

    If anyone makes either of those claims, they are lying. And Tea Party leadership are making those claims. That makes them liars. And those are pretty big lies. So why do they say them? Well, one famous and powerful person once said "great masses of the people are more willing to accept a big lie, than a small one". That person was Adolf Hitler, and Tea Party leadership is following his advice.

    In fact, I believe that USA will ever get a totalitarian government, it will get it with the help of the Tea Party.

    I find it quite amazing that this mass-insanity is as widespread in the USA as it is.
     
  2. iDisk macrumors 6502a

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    Tell me what country or shall I say middle east country help fund Obama through college??

    Obamas dad was from Kenya and he was a Muslim his mom (not grandmom) was a agnostic or atheist.

    Why is his administration so anti-Israeli??

    Why does he bend over for Muslim countries??

    Btw please dig deep into finding these answers cause they're there. Like you said in the beginning "look beyond the surface" .

    Obama also grew up around socialist & Marxist , if your main friends growing are people like that one would think it rubs off on you. Especially since he's not publically Said He's a believer in Yeshua (Jesus). If you believe in the Torah & Yeshua you'll do what's best for the country according to what the Law of Gods word says and you'll back Israel.
     
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    I was going to post quotes from the TP's best like Christine O'Donnell, Carl Paladino, Sharon Angle and others but your post was such a better example.
     
  5. Queso macrumors G4

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    LOL. So now Obama's evil because he had a Saudi friend?

    **** me, what the hell does that make Bush? :D
     
  6. Evangelion thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Is it? It seems to me that Obama-administration might be a bit less pro-Israel than previous administration, but that does not make this administration "anti-Israel". And still, this argument says nothing about Obama's religion.

    He does?

    So Obama belonging to a Christian church is just a smokescreen? How could Obama prove that he's NOT a muslim? Like I said, Glenn Beck has not proven that he's NOT a pedophile, so according to your logic, he is a pedophile?

    And besides: is there something wrong in being a muslim?

    That does not make him a socialist or a marxist.

    How is living in padded cell working out for you?

    Seriously: your comment is a perfect example of what's wrong with Teabaggers :). Keep it up!
     
  7. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Go look at a map. Indonesia isn't in the middle east, if that's what you're trying to imply.

    His dad wasn't a part of his life at all, and he was raised by his atheist mom his entire life. That explains why he's Muslim :rolleyes:

    Wait, what, we're bombing Israel now????

    All of the Muslim countries have male leaders, and in those countries, I believe a male bending over for another male is grounds for hanging.

    Bending over? Dig deep? Kinky. I like where this is going.

    Thanks to evil big government marxist regulation, most people did not grow up near lead paint and radioactive waste dumps, but that doesn't stop the teabaggers from sounding like they did. What you do or don't grow up near doesn't mean a thing.

    Actually, sadly, I believe he has said he's a believer in your invisible boogeyman in the sky.

    And if you don't believe in the Torah and Jeebus and all of the other fairy tales religion brainwashes people with, you can still do what's best for this country.
     
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    *shakes head in disgust*

    Don't care. Don't see why anyone would. What, Iran funded Obama's college education so he could become President and aid them to take over the world? Get real, dude.

    Don't care. Don't see why anyone would. Obama met his dad like once, so he was a complete non-influence. His mother taught him religious tolerance, something you obviously did not experience. I don't know how many times Obama has to say he's Christian and do Christian things before you think he's a Christian. Wait, I do know: never, because you'd rather hate on him than admit it.

    Netanyahu seems fine with Obama. In fact, he recently called the bond between America and Israel "unbreakable."

    What do you mean by this? You mean he bowed for their leaders as a sign of respect? I'm not even going to argue this because you're being so irrational in your hate that I wouldn't be able to break through to you anyway.

    Are you freaking kidding me. Is this a serious post or are you simply trolling? If you are serious, go back to talking about computers and iPods.

    You tell me to look things up on my own, yet you won't read Obama's freaking autobiography. Chapter 6 of The Audacity of Hope only talks about his faith and religious beliefs, dude. The guy is a Christian. He talks about growing up around muslims and atheists, pondering whether that affects his Christianity or not, but ultimately he goes to church, does Christian things, and believes in the Bible. I'm an atheist and would like nothing more than a rational, atheist president. However, Obama is not that president.
     
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    Lets say he is a muslim. Why do you care? Why is it a bad thing? Why do people obsess over the religion the president is?

    Frankly, Israel does need some criticism. Some of their actions are too aggressive. They use weapons which we were in agreement they would not use in areas of dense populations, but they did anyway. I don't think he is anti-Israel. He is just calling Israel's actions for what they are.
     
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    You call it "anti-Israel" I call it not standing by a country 100% of the time regardless of what it does.
     
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    It's funny, because out of one side of their mouth they'll bitch about the pastor he had at church and out of the other side, they'll say he's a Muslim. Which one is he? A Christian with a crazy pastor? Or a Muslim? He can't be both. The nutjobs need to make up their mind.
     
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    you are so naive he goes to church to throw us off! Just like he made the pastor crazy to get it on the news, to show he goes to church. He's a master of puppets AND YOU ARE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    The Tea Party would be a lot easier to like if they stuck to financial and government size issues and left the moral and religious crap behind.

    But then we'd call them Libertarians.
     
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    I'd call them hypocrites unable or unwilling of critical thinking.
     
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    A one issue party in name only. Where were they when the GOP was bombing it's way into deep deficit territory?
     
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    My guess for the majority of them, rooting them on.
     
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    Or, at least, people who don't understand what libertarianism is might. Capitalism is not identical with libertarianism. Corporatism is not compatible with libertarianism. Replacing government with private enterprise is the opposite of libertarianism.
     
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    Muslims not only want America to change into a more Muslim society but the Muslim nations want Israel wiped off the earth. It's Gods nation whether secular society and others wanna believe it or not
     
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    It's superstitious claptrap, that's what it is.
     
  20. Queso macrumors G4

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    Christians want America to change into a more Christian society. So why should you be surprised that Muslims want exactly the same?

    As for Israel, if a country where rock-throwing children get deliberately run over and families can be blown up by air strikes or missile attacks is "God's" country I'd rather we go back to worshipping Zeus. This Yahweh bloke isn't much cop.
     
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    Rebuked:
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    To those who don't believe in Yahweh and his son Yeshua, I pray you find him before this world perishes.

    Ask for Yeshua to lift the blinders off your eyes and he will. Confess him as your savior .
     
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    How long have we got?


    Edit: What I'm getting at is should I take my accumulated holiday leave this year? Or will an overseas holiday be ok next year. Would hate for the world to perish the day before I go!
     
  24. Queso macrumors G4

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    Go ahead. But please, do it quietly eh? You're boring me now.
     
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    What is wrong...

    What is wrong with the tea-party?

    Well, it started off admirably enough. I can get behind a movement supporting less government intrusion/involvement, less regulations and bureaucracy, and getting rid of the career politicians. I can get behind an increase in state government's rights and a scaling back of the federal government.

    Then it all went to hell. The Tea-Party Movement, which started off as a "leave-us-alone" crowd got infested with religious right lunatics such as Christine O'Donnel and that Tea-Party-Express guy. They started taking up the "social conservatism" flag, which has no choice but to be flown directly alongside the "religious right" banner.

    A movement dedicated to freedom and personal rights started to advocate the EXACT opposite. Think about it... Numerous "Tea-Partiers" have came out "against" sharia-law, claiming that the evil muslims are trying to turn UofA into a "Muslim Nation," case in point iDisk. These same "tea-partiers" are advocating a constitutional ban on gay marriage because the bible says so. Talk about hypocrisy. Talk about the same old religious right trying to force their views on everyone else.

    Its sad.
     

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