Wheaton College Moves To Fire Professor For Saying Muslims And Christians 'Worship The Same God'

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by steve knight, Jan 7, 2016.

  1. steve knight macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Jan 28, 2009
    I guess the ugly truth does not set you free it gets you fired. Sad when you find out your horrible neighbor is actually sharing the same genes with you kind of situation.

  2. ericgtr12 macrumors 65816


    Mar 19, 2015
    Well, it is a private Christian college. His point is totally valid IMO but as a private institution they should have the right to do what they like.
  3. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Jan 28, 2009
    yes he can do it but firing someone for telling the actual truth it is not like it is a ugly secret though most christians don't know it I bet. lets hope the college suffers at least a little bit.
  4. nbs2, Jan 7, 2016
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2016

    nbs2 macrumors 68030


    Mar 31, 2004
    A geographical oddity
    On one hand, the professor is right. Almost anybody claiming to worship deity, especially monotheists, is essentially worshipping the same deity. It is only the manner of worship and attributes of deity that change. As always, I'm sure there are exceptions. But the split between Judeo-Christian and Muslim comes down to which son of Abraham you think was the anointed of God.

    As for her wearing the hijab, I've got some issues with the whole "I wear what you wear in solidarity" thing. Any symbolism (religious or cultural) I wear, I wear because it has a deeper meaning. You want to wear it because you embrace that meaning or the values behind it? Be my guest and I will talk your ear off discussing it. You wear it to make a political or social statement? Make like a tree and get out of here, I am comfortable in myself - I don't want or need your validation.

    Edit - grammar
  5. nightcap965 macrumors 6502a


    Feb 11, 2004
    Cape Cod
    What does "telling the actual truth" have to do with anything? There is no "truth" when it comes to god claims. The transcendent bears a striking resemblance to the non-existent.
  6. Tomorrow macrumors 604


    Mar 2, 2008
    Always a day away
    I don't agree with this, pretty much every Christian I know believes and accepts that God/Yahweh/Allah are all different names for the same god.
  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    Interesting that is was for a FB post and not over something she said in class. But would this be an example of political correctness on the right? I think so.

    I'm still pretty amazed by the reaction to her statement. If it's not the same god, then that implies two possibilities ...

    1. Muslims worship a different god. But if that's the case, then you don't believe in monotheism. As I understand it, monotheism doesn't just imply that you believe in one god, it implies that only one god exists, and that all versions of god simply are different interpretations of the one god. So how could the god of Islam not be the god of Christianity?

    2. Muslims worship a false god, which comes with a mountain of issues that I would love to see the school rationalize away.

    If there are other possibilities that I'm overlooking, I'd love to hear them.
  8. aaronvan Suspended


    Dec 21, 2011
    República Cascadia
    This Christian began wearing a hijab to work. I find this egregious cultural appropriation particularly galling.
  9. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    Yeah. Head scarves are the worst. :rolleyes:
  10. aaronvan Suspended


    Dec 21, 2011
    República Cascadia
    If I went to work wearing a Native American headdress, probably that would be worse.
  11. MacNut macrumors Core


    Jan 4, 2002
    Well it does get cold in Chicago...
  12. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    Try it, and report back.
  13. LizKat macrumors 68040


    Aug 5, 2004
    Catskill Mountains
    Nah, don't tell him that; he might have to pay a fine for misuse of eagle feathers or some such.

    On topic: Wheaton is nuts to make this gig a firing offense.
  14. thermodynamic Suspended


    May 3, 2009
    But all this is another example of where Thomas Jefferson, removed from Texas history books, was right: Separation of church and state. That's probably why churches enjoy tax-exempt status, but the moment they play politics or want to be free of such separation then the tax exemption should also be revoked...

    Within the laws of the land in which it resides, a private institution probably shouldn't have the right to be above the law? That's what a lawyer would probably point out. Am not saying a law was broken, though...

    But, yeah, the church is free to put in who it wants and discriminate. But in a free country, how can one be free without curtailing others' freedom (e.g. discrimination, ignoring basic truths, et cetera)
  15. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    If they do fire her, I can almost guarantee a wrongful termination lawsuit will follow.

    That's the risk Wheaton decided to take with their actions.
  16. Mousse macrumors 68000


    Apr 7, 2008
    Flea Bottom, King's Landing
    3. Everyone else worships a false god. Whatever floats their boat, I say.

    Jews, Christians, Muslims...we all worship the same God, the God of Abraham. With Christians we decided to follow God 2.0--the kinder, gentler version named Jeezus. Jesus the Son of God, who also happens to be God. So he is his own father?:confused: Yeah, I still haven't figured that one out.:p But hail, I ain't a boat rocker. Men much smarter than me (St Augustine for one) have tried and failed so I ain't gonna sweat it.
  17. Zedcars macrumors 6502


    Apr 5, 2010
    Brighton, UK
    I'm sorry but this is nonsense. No-one worships the same deity. Every believer worships their own god which is a projection of your own personality. There are as many gods as there are believers - all slightly different from each other.

    Hence why there are so many different religions and denominations and arguments within those denominations about scripture. If there is a god, he has extremely poor communication skills. It's almost as if he's not there at all...
  18. bent christian Suspended

    bent christian

    Nov 5, 2015
    Ha, ha. I grew up in this town. It is a suburban Right-wing strip-mall hell hole. I am glad it's finally getting the attention it deserves.

    The town will do nothing about this. I imagine the sea of White faces who live there support the decision.
  19. FieldingMellish Suspended

    Jun 20, 2010
    Knee-jerk firing for but a sentence or two is usually the province of the Left, so this does stand as an outlier.
  20. Huntn macrumors P6


    May 5, 2008
    The Misty Mountains
    Agreed, churches should have their tax exempt status revoked as they have jumped into the politics game. The onus is on the College for the sake of their theological competence to show evidence that the Chritian God is different. Heaven forbid someone say something in support of Muslims. :rolleyes:

    :rolleyes: Directed at post #19.
  21. decafjava macrumors 68020


    Feb 7, 2011
    Is Christian Bale's Batman the same as the upcoming Ben Affleck version?
  22. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Jan 28, 2009
    the IRS needs to grow a set. they have not taken a church to task for years. this is how they can buy jets and mega churches and all kind of stuff on the gullible parishioners. I remember last election preachers bragging about it and calling the IRS to do anything to them. nope nothing happened.
  23. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a


    Dec 29, 2014
  24. steve knight, Feb 10, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2016

    steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Jan 28, 2009
    if you don't think they don't you have missed history. they just do it in different ways. Hell how would anyone really prove what god they worship? it is not like god has an identity. in reality no one prays to the same god everyone has their own version of god there are as many gods as there are people that believe in god.
  25. Renzatic Suspended


    Aug 3, 2011
    Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
    You do know Jesus is in the Quran, right?

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