When a Recall isn't a Recall.

Plutonius

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More bad news out of Venezuela. A year long recall vote of their president was essentially ended by the Maduro controlled national electoral council. A travel ban was also placed on the leaders of the recall effort.

Is this a lesson on democracy for everyone or is this just a Venezuelan issue ?
 

BernyMac

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No, but it should be a warning on how any country can turn into an authoritarian state.

Are you ever concerned that this might happen in the US ?
There are plenty of people that worry about the US turning into an authoritarian state...some already believe it is already there. It just seems that not a lot of people want to do anything about it. It is too easy to just sit back and let complacency run its course.
 
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Macky-Mac

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More bad news out of Venezuela. A year long recall vote of their president was essentially ended by the Maduro controlled national electoral council. A travel ban was also placed on the leaders of the recall effort.

Is this a lesson on democracy for everyone or is this just a Venezuelan issue ?
you forgot to mention that they've also announced that they've cancelled the regional & local elections that are supposed to be held this year
 
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LizKat

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Is this a lesson on democracy for everyone or is this just a Venezuelan issue ?
Definitely for everyone... there are some protest marches going on now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKCN12M0SY

Polls showed the majority wanted the recall referendum, but the election board halted the process this week citing court orders based on government allegations of fraud during an initial signature drive.

That left Maduro, who won an election to succeed Hugo Chavez in 2013, on track to complete the six-year term.

Government officials have been exulting at the referendum's failure, saying the opposition is to blame for delaying the process and then committing fraud by adding names of minors and dead people to their first signature drive
Ah yes, the "allegations of fraud" card and the "dead people voting" card. Sigh.

The Trump script must be a plagiarism!
 

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There are plenty of people that worry about the US turning into an authoritarian state...some already believe it is already there. It just seems that not a lot of people want to do anything about it. It is too easy to just sit back and let complacency run its course.
Well, you and those who liked your post don't seem to be out there. So is there really a problem to begin with? If there is, then what are you waiting for?
 

LizKat

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you forgot to mention that they've also announced that they've cancelled the regional & local elections that are supposed to be held this year
Yah, we're not that bad yet are we.... but almost as bad is having so many gerrymandered districts where the incumbent gets re-elected and re-elected and the other party (whichever one it is, since there are gerrymandered districts of both parties) finally sometimes doesn't even put up a candidate or they put up a nominal candidate but he or she doesn't campaign and isn't funded. For instance, I live in a red district and our sheriff is hardly ever opposed. So shall I be thrilled I still get a chance to "elect" him?

More to the point why am I not on the horn to the local Dem party office asking him why the hell we can't find a Democratic candidate for sheriff. It always does come back to the people. The Venezuelans know that too. They don't expect to get their referendum now but they're marching to protest the government's heavy-handed intervention that killed the effort. It will be interesting to see what happens when the opposition party meets in the legislature.
 

Macky-Mac

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... They don't expect to get their referendum now but they're marching to protest the government's heavy-handed intervention that killed the effort. It will be interesting to see what happens when the opposition party meets in the legislature.
in a bid to keep themselves in power the Venezuela government will likely increase the number of opposition leaders they have in jail. It's a process that's already started.
 
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