When does kinky porn become illegal?

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  1. iBlue macrumors Core

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    Article from the BBC


    Is it appropriate for them to dictate what gets you off?

    I have some mixed feelings on this. I don't want to see just some of what most may consider a bit 'out there' being banned. Some B&D for instance, I would hate to think of the more "innocent" sorts being wrapped up into this.

    I suppose so long as the parameters for defining it remain clear I don't see a problem with outlawing the more violent sorts. I can't see any good things coming from watching someone being tortured and raped and I worry about those who watch that sort of material. Who gets into that? And for those who are not 'there' yet, could seeing something like that start to desensitize a person and inspire abusive behaviour?
     
  2. Full of Win macrumors 68030

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    Don't know about over there - but here in the USA, the answer to the question "When does kinky porn become illegal" is - "we know it when we see it" in our legal system.

    http://library.findlaw.com/2003/May/15/132747.html

    In short - its bascailly luck of the draw in our legal system.
     
  3. Kernow macrumors 65816

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    I thought the last few paragraphs of the article raised an interesting point:

     
  4. skunk macrumors G4

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    "Out of place in modern-day Britain"? "Has no place in a modern society"? Obviously untrue on both counts. One thing is for sure, we would be better off keeping politicians out of our bedrooms. God knows what they get up to in there. They're the worst of the lot.

    I refer you to my signature...
     
  5. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    They should just keep their noses out. If the acts being committed during the production of said porn are illegal then by all means prosecute to producers, but as long as what is being produced is legal by consenting adults then it's up to people what they get their kicks out of.
     
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    I think I really need to see some examples of what would and would not be considered "extreme" before I can properly arrive at an opinion on this.

    Clips?
     
  7. skunk macrumors G4

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    Post some of your home videos and we'll let you know if they qualify...
     
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    Does this make ****** illegal?

    edit: dammit, I meant a certain image that was hosted on a .cx domain.
     
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    I agree on general principle that they should keep out of it. However I can also see the point in some areas.

    A friend of mine produces porn and I've seen some seriously sick stuff in his collection. One (not made by him) featured what appeared to be an early teens girl tied up and being gang raped. Granted it was all fake and surely she was over 18 despite how young she looked but it disturbed me on quite a few levels, some of which are very personal. I only saw a few minutes of it, I felt ill. He told me that there were some legality issues with filming what appears to be rape but I cannot remember exactly what he said. (for the record he's in the US)

    I can't see what good can come from seeing that sort of thing or those who enjoy watching it.

    I'd like to say "if you don't like it, don't watch it." but I'm not so sure in some cases - for instance, child porn. When should the law step in on what people see?
     
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    I totally agree, some stuff, like the rape thing should be banned. However taken to an extreme the new law could ban things like spanking.
     
  12. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    i think this needs to be more clearly defined than left as is. i can understand the precaution and concept behind it, and while i don't know if its truly necessary either, i think what is 'ok' and what is 'bad' needs to be a bit more clear since it could lead to things that really are fine being 'bad' just because a few want it that way.
     
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    I think it's safe to say that things like spanking, or even flogging, caning, etc do not qualify as "serious injury."

    Personally, I think the approach to this issue should not be too dissimilar to how laws in general are approached. That is to say, restrictions should be pretty minimal. However, as a society we condemn certain extreme acts as immoral, and it's far from unheard of to legislate such things. For legislation on this matter to be tolerable, though, it would need to make laws much more clear about what is and isn't permitted, and again, erring on the side of freedom.

    Regardless of what one's sexual tastes are, I would think almost everyone would agree that porn depicting life threatening acts, mutilation, or the infliction of permanent or long-lasting injury does not send good messages, is not civilized, and should be generally frowned upon whether it is illegal or not.
     
  14. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Crappy law IMO. If rape porn is what gets you off, and as long as the "actors" in the movie are over 18 and the rape is staged, then I don't see what's wrong with it.
     
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    It may be a moderately simple line to draw. If the porn is supposed to depicting an illegal act (rape, children) it's illegal. (I'm not necessarily saying this should be the case but it would be one fairly simple line).

    However it does allow some room for interpretation, like where is the line between a really young looking adult versus trying to depict children end up? That could very well result in a lot of legal interpretation of the intent of the film which may or may not be a good thing.

    But as I said, I don't know what the right answer is, although consensual adults, shouldn't be running into legal issues.
     
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    Look at it from this perspective...the more restrictive the law, the weirder and kinkier porn gets. Just look at Japan. I for one can't wait until I see those big breasted UK stars doing tentacle porn.
     
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    I've been away from the P,R, and SI forum for too long... :D
     
  18. jb60606 macrumors 6502a

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    when a US politician finds his son watching it.
     
  19. emw macrumors G4

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    Interesting that they're only concerned with pornography of this sort. I'm guessing movies that depict people getting their heads shot off or bodies hacked up by axes and chainsaws aren't considered to be a problem.
     
  20. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    In movies it's not actually happening, whereas in porn it often is. I think the majority opinion is that pretty much anything goes when it's fictionalized.
     
  21. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    sex is the worst thing of all, didn't you know? :rolleyes:

    porn is fiction.
     
  22. emw macrumors G4

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    I'm sure you're right about the logic, but I'm not certain that the differentiation is necessarily valid.

    I'd agree that if it isn't illegal to do, it shouldn't be illegal to film. Certainly things might be disturbing to some, but if that were the criteria for making something illegal, none of us could leave the house.

    Don't go and ruin it for me.
     
  23. iJon macrumors 604

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    What a ridiculous law. Having looked at porn since elementary school, I have seen some of the most bizarre things you can imagine. Much of the stuff this article is talking about is definitely not my cup of tea but I'm always fascinated by the different genres that people enjoy. These women in porn know exactly what they are getting paid for. You can tie them up, slap them around, put a gag ball in their mouth but they still enjoy it, it's what they want to do.
    The better question to ask is why these women enjoy these acts cause it's safe to say the majority of people would not participate in these acts. I would be willing to bet a majority of the women performing these acts and porn in general were abused in some way as a child or while growing up.

    Either way, a stupid law.

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  24. skunk macrumors G4

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    A huge number of mainstream movies would fall foul of this.
     
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    Which is where my line completely falls apart. I have no problem admitting that my proposed guideline would probably never work, be fair, or even be considered.
     

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