When the RICH wage WAR it's the POOR that DIE

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Prof., Jan 7, 2008.

  1. Prof. macrumors 601

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    "Hands Held High" - Linkin Park speaks out against the war in Iraq and President Bush.

    Turn my mic up louder I got to say something
    Light weights step to the side when we come in

    Feel it in your chest the syllables get pumping
    People on the street they panic and start running

    Words on loose leaf sheet complete coming
    I jump in my mind and summon the rhyme, I'm dumping

    Healing the blind I promise to let the sun in
    Sick of the dark ways we march to the drum and

    Jump when they tell us that they wanna see jumping
    F**k that I wanna see some fists pumping

    Risk something, take back what's yours
    Say something that you know they might attack you for

    Cause I'm sick of being treated like I have before
    Like it's stupid standing for what I'm standing for

    Like this war's really just a different brand of war
    Like it doesn't cater the rich and abandon poor

    Like they understand you in the back of the jet
    When you can't put gas in your tank

    These f**kers are laughing their way to the bank and cashing the check
    Asking you to have compassion and have some respect

    For a leader so nervous in an obvious way
    Stuttering and mumbling for nightly news to replay

    And the rest of the world watching at the end of the day
    In their living room laughing like "what did he say?"

    [Chorus:]
    Amen
    Amen
    Amen
    Amen
    Amen

    In my living room watching but I am not laughing
    Cause when it gets tense I know what might happen

    World is cold the bold men take action
    Have to react or get blown into fractions

    Ten years old it's something to see
    Another kid my age drugged under a jeep

    Taken and bound and found later under a tree
    I wonder if he had thought the next one could be me

    Do you see the soldiers they're out today
    They brush the dust from bullet proof vests away

    It's ironic at times like this you pray
    But a bomb blew the mosque up yesterday

    There's bombs in the buses, bikes, roads
    Inside your market, your shops, your clothes

    My dad he's got a lot of fear I know
    But enough pride inside not to let that show

    My brother had a book he would hold with pride
    A little red cover with a broken spine

    On the back, he hand-wrote a quote inside
    When the rich wage war it's the poor who die

    Meanwhile, the leader just talks away
    Stuttering and mumbling for nightly news to replay

    And the rest of the world watching at the end of the day
    both scared and angry like "what did he say?"

    [Chorus x6]

    [x6]
    With hands held high into the sky so blue,
    As the ocean opens up to swallow you.


    That is a powerful song...
     
  2. TBi macrumors 68030

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    War has nearly always been about making the rich richer. The poor never really have any reason to fight each other (well not on such a grand scale anyway).
     
  3. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    That's often not true. Look at Rwanda and Darfur. A lot of that, as I understand it, has to do with poverty and competition over scarce resources. Not to say that the rich aren't involved, far from it, but just to say the poor have their own motivations too.

    Certainly though, the poor in the US have no reason to invade Iraq. We certainly agree there.
     
  4. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Louis XVI and the Romanovs might beg to differ.
     
  5. TBi macrumors 68030

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    Rwanda was a genocide, Darfur is more of the same. One ethnicity wanted to kill a different ethnicity.

    However it all boiled down to people who had guns wanting more power and money for themselves.

    Maybe i should have said "normal" people instead of "poor" people in my comment.
     
  6. TBi macrumors 68030

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    I said the poor, or normal people, have no reason to fight each other.

    I never said they would not have a reason to come together to fight an evil oppressive dictatorship which treats them like dog meat.

    In these cases it is never the poor fighting other poor people in the region or neighboring regions, but more the poor fighting the rich who are abusing their power.
     
  7. imac/cheese macrumors 6502a

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    I would love to hear your take on how the wars of American history were all about the rich getting richer. Start with the Revolutionary War and just hit the big ones: Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Desert Storm.

    Edit: Didn't see you were from Ireland, so feel free to discuss any of the major wars world wide instead of focusing on American History.
     
  8. TBi macrumors 68030

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    It's not always about people just getting richer, but a lot are.

    Basically this was the people uniting against a common enemy, the english.

    However the reason for this was taxes, basically they didn't want to pay taxes to england. I'm sure a few of the richer families wanted to be richer by not paying taxes and "supported" the war because of this.

    Northern States Vs Southern States didn't agree with each other. There is some money there but not that much, again i never said they were all about money.

    Germany wanted to take over neighbouring countries. More land = more people to tax which means more money for the ruling class.

    The rest of the world just fought back.

    Ditto with WWI just different people running the show.

    I'll leave these ones.
     
  9. Iscariot macrumors 68030

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    Once we're done debating the heavy concepts brought up by a Linkin Park single, I've prepared a lengthy dissertation on Sir Mixalot's Baby Got Back. I think he makes some interesting and poignent statements about society's obsession with youth and beauty that could certainly use some discussing. I've also rewritten it to be about breasts, which I think will branch nicely into a separate discussion about breasts.
     
  10. TBi macrumors 68030

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    Sounds interesting. It's amazing how much lyrics from a song can hit the point on issues in the world today. However all songs can be interpreted in different ways by different people.
     
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    You sir, are a MacRumors treasure.
     
  12. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Not to nit pick but the genocide in Rwanda was mostly carried out w/machetes and the like.


    Lethal
     
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    I'd leave it there, if I were you.
     
  14. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    It's not just ethnic hatred, it's ethnic hatred fueled by economic competition over resources.

    (although realistically, I think we're arguing mostly over semantics here.)
     
  15. Queso macrumors G4

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    Remember that the victor's write history. WWI was more of a war by mutual consent. There were a number of players hoping to increase their hand with a quick war against other European powers. Germany had a lot of ambition, but so did France, who wanted their eastern territories ceded in 1871 back, and Italy and Russia, both looking to capture territory from a slowly collapsing Austria. Britain simply wanted to keep everyone in their place since we were the dominant nation at the time, especially the pesky Germans who were building up their naval strength. Everyone thought they had something to gain. What they didn't expect was it to last four years rather than months, bankrupt virtually all of them, and cause major revolutions in three of the countries. But then that's what you get for choosing your military strategists from a social elite rather than from the most intelligent.
     
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    Good points and it backs up my comments about a lot of wars being driven by money! :D
     
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    I laughed...out loud, lol'ed if you will.
     
  18. solvs macrumors 603

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    Well, to expand on what's already been mentioned:

    Revolutionary War was about the English monarchy taxing the colonists without letting them have representation.
    Civil War was about more than slavery, there were a lot of economic factors as well.
    WWI and II were about Germany and their allies trying to overpower other, smaller nations.
    One could argue that Korea and Vietnam were similar.
    Both Iraq wars seem to have been fought because of oil.

    While it's not all about the rich getting richer, money and power seem to factor into things more than they should. Not to say some weren't meaningful. Fighting against those things certainly is a good cause. One does have to wonder though if in some cases we're told it's about something it really isn't, like the current Iraq war.
     
  19. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    you have that wrong the first war in Iraq was about oil. The 2nd was about revenge for daddy.
     
  20. solvs macrumors 603

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    Yes, but I'm sure the oil helped. Well, at least it was supposed to. We're getting screwed, but the oil companies are still getting richer.
     
  21. imac/cheese macrumors 6502a

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    I really don't think it was about revenge. I think that GWB truly thought he was going to go into Iraq, get rid of an evil dictator, find weapons of mass destruction, discover links to 9/11, create a great new country, save the day and ride away on a white horse as a great American Hero.

    It might have been about oil for Cheney.
     
  22. GfPQqmcRKUvP macrumors 68040

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    Ditto imac/cheese.


    And people seem to forget that Congress voted for the use of violent force in Iraq. Not only that, but the estimates at that time that were being thrown around was troop loss of 10,000+. What did all the people who voted for the war think would happen? Are they that stupid? All the blame can't fall to GWB, it has to fall a lot on the Congress that authorized it...
     
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    Yes I must admit that what could have been an issue of debate has now been made an embarrassment by a band trying to be cool and modern by pretending they're into politics. Like when Green Day thought they'd up the IQ level by writing a song entitled 'American Idiot'. How 21st century.
     
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    I think "F**k tha Police" is more of a political song than some of the crap out today that claims to be political and rebellious.......
     
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    Heh.. I just had a discussion with a twenty-something the other day who thought Rage Against the Machine wrote that song...
     

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