Where are the children?

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  1. AlliFlowers Contributor

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    Don’t bring your children along while committing robberies.

    Don’t bring your children along on drug runs.

    Don’t bring your children along during break ins.

    Don’t bring your children along while illegally crossing International borders.

    If you refrain from doing things like this .... your children will not be separated from you.

    There are legal ways to enter the USA ... with your children.
     
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    Oh boy, here comes the, “yeah but!”
     
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    So, to summarize: threatening the emotional well-being of children is being used as a deterrent to illegal immigration?

    Actually, if you had bothered to read the article cited by the OP, this is about Trump's HHS losing track of track of kids it is responsible for. It reflects gross incompetence and negligence on the GOP's watch, not some sort of mean-spirited unjust deterrent policy. So much winning. #MAGA
     
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    It all starts with parents breaking the law at the border. But I’m sure you’re 100% ok with that since it always comes down to blaming Trump.
     
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    Trump is POTUS. His party is the GOP, which controls Congress. HHS is an agency under Trump's control. So yes, this is Trump's and the GOP's incompetence, negligence, and/or inhumanity. The buck stops with them.

    Are you really comfortable with children within the USA's borders being trafficked? My guess is that you're not. You know to whom to complain.
     
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    Any old excuse works, right? The fact of the matter is that, irrespective on how they entered, the United States Administration has a duty of care to ensure the wellbeing of the children until they're either handed off to some long term care, or (if that has to be the case) deported. Anything less is totally outrageous and the right's desire to ignore this and use the excuse of 'well, if their parents hadn't entered illegally' is utterly abhorrent.

    These are CHILDREN for Pete's sake. And the right is totally OK with them being lost in the system? Have we turned into such a cold callous nation that we're prepared to ignore the lives and welfare of these kids just to score a political point?

    This arrogance is quite naturally brought to you by the 'Pro-Life' party - proving yet again that the Conservative Right Wingers don't care one little bit about the lives of the innocent kids - just as long as they're born.
     
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    quoted from the article..
    "The agency has faced increased scrutiny following a scathing 2016 report from the committee that found it failed to protect unaccompanied minors from traffickers and other abuses."

    A good question to ask Obama and his administration.. perhaps Trump can change that, and definitely should.
     
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    Do you think these policies were put into place under Trump? The article cited even tells stories from 2014 of human trafficking.

    The fact that we release anyone assuming they will show up for an immigration hearing is wrong IMO. Should be turned back at the border.
     
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    This has been going on before Trump. Where was the outrage with Obama?
     
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    Not only that but his admin was the one that caused the children caravans due to a 2008 law reauthorized and catch/release into the US policy, basically shouting to send your kids into the US to vote Democrat.
     
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    This is another sterling example of why we need less government in our lives rather than more.
     
  13. Vanilla Ice macrumors 6502

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    These children shouldn’t be the responsibility of the U.S. in the first place.
     
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    "In 2014, at least 10 trafficking victims, including eight minors, were discovered during a raid by federal and local law enforcement in Portman’s home state of Ohio. As FRONTLINE examined in the recent documentary Trafficked in America, HHS had released several minors to the traffickers. The committee said the case was due to policies and procedures that were “inadequate to protect the children in the agency’s care.”

    Policies and procedures implemented by the Obama administration, it's a disgrace.
     
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    But they are - and until processed the United State as a duty of care. Anything less is totally inhumane. And this applies whether the cases happened under the Obama or Trump administrations.
     
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    Not a responsibility of the USA, but rather a humane responsibility that should be implemented as policy within the HHS.
     
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    Last I checked Mexico wasn't a refugee eligible country and were supposedly an ally to the US. Why are they allowing caravans through their country with the intent to break border laws?
     
  18. AlliFlowers thread starter Contributor

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    It's up to Mexico who they allow to cross their country. They are being humanitarian by allowing through people from the war ravaged south.

    I'm more concerned with the current administration (Kelly and Sessions), who are taking children from women who are attempting to gain legal access by requesting sanctuary.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ration-immigration-huppke-20180312-story.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-adm...sylum-seekers-children-aclu/story?id=53354617

    Stories like this should have all of you in tears.

    Those of you making up stories of parents bringing infants with them while committing robberies... Karma.
     
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    Not a good practice IMO to separate children from their parents if they are not of legal age. Would be informative to see the fine print of the claimed Trump policy to separate the families, instead of hearing more opinions by msn or the aclu's claims. Just because TSA or HHS have been involved in inhumanely treating some people (perish the thought), does not a presidential policy make. This issue will be taken to court, where perhaps long standing policies of these agencies should and will be examined.
     
  20. AlliFlowers thread starter Contributor

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    This is not a written policy. This was a directive given by Jeff Sessions. It was broadcast on most networks. Trump could easily put an end to it via simple Executive Order.
     
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    Bull. The USA supported a coup in Honduras in this timeframe. This resulted in a mass exodus of people trying to escape cartels and death squads that were intertwined with the regime that took over in the coup.

    Yes the USA (in this instance the Obama administration) certainly causes many of its own “problems” when it comes to immigration, but if we’re going to ignore HOW these things happen and substitute simplistic fairytales that a *law* change in the US prompted tens of thousands to undertake a journey that virtually guarantees you’ll be raped along the way if a woman, then we’re never going to make progress.

    Nobody travels thousands of miles at risk of losing their lives (or worse, their CHILDREN’S lives) every. step. of. the. way because a law changed, they do it because EVEN THE DANGERS OF THE JOURNEY don’t outweigh the conditions they are fleeing.
     
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    You know, I’ll rememebr these comments next time some of you “pro-life” folks pretend to care about children.
     
  23. KUKitch macrumors 6502

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    They’ve been born, it’s up to them now - they just have to work hard and get ahead... or go back to where they came from, I can’t remember which at this point
     
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    Don't read the article if you don't want to understand the point.
     
  25. Vanilla Ice macrumors 6502

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    Time to flood these kids and parents to your neighborhood as they cross over and leave the responsibilities to you and your community. I’m sure you’ll be fine with that. You just have to remember how pro illegal immigration you are when you get taxed even more to afford the children’s free schooling .
     

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