Where are the JOBS Mr. Boehner?

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  1. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Maybe the Democrats were right when they suggested fixing the economy was critical before indiscriminately slashing spending.

    How long before Bloomberg or Moody's is called a left-wing, liberal/socialist, commie, backwater, don't trust-'em source? 3... 2... 1...
     
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    Stop being mean to Mr. Boehner, you'll make him cry yet again.
     
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    Oh, I'm sure it won't take long at all. ;)
     
  4. ddoolin0 macrumors regular

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    Whens the Rush Limbaugh show come on again?...I'll be listening for it!
     
  5. mcrain thread starter macrumors 68000

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    What will it take before people realize that the GOP doesn't care about people with jobs, only "people" who have Inc., LLC, S Corp, or Ltd after their name?
     
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    When the country has become a third world nightmare, that's when.
     
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    Too bad they decided on health care instead of the economy. Had they focused on the economy, we might be discussing meaningful healthcare reform by now.
     
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    If oil spikes any higher the jobs numbers will only get worse.
     
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    You should try our prices. I just put £90 of diesel in my tank.
     
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    Jobs?
    Boys and girls are jobs are moving to China.
    This great country was made in the industrial age.
    Welcome to the consumer age.
    Until someone can figure out how to bring back the jobs making widgets and trinckets there is going to me more and more unemployment.
    Not everyone is a college grad. Before there were plenty of jobs for highschool grads.
    In my area we have lost over 4000 manufacturing jobs, 800 more starting next Tuesday. 450 machine operators, 50 techs and the rest engineers and staff.
    China!
    The beloved Apple is a prime example of today's business model.
    Designed in the USA built where?
    Try to buy an American car. It's more like American, Chinese, japanese, Canadian, Mexican.
    Well, love to go on but break is over time to hit the job boards.
     
  12. mcrain thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I don't fault their focus on healthcare as it is such a massive part of our economy and is going to do nothing but get worse. Unfortunately, instead of pushing a more liberal proposal that had a chance of actually having an effect, they pushed the 1993 Republican proposal with the hope of gaining some bipartisan support. They got no Republican support, and a bad health care plan.

    The first big things the Obama administration did helped stop the massive job losses, reformed Wall St., saved two of the three auto manufacturers, employed tons of people via stimulus, and helped end the worst recession we've had in ages.

    The Republicans won in 2010 based on their platform that they could do better, and their proposals will result in a reversal back to the Bush era days of shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs! Come on! Really?
     
  13. MacNut macrumors Core

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    I doubt wall street is truly reformed. The only way to fix it is to tear it down and start from scratch. As long as speculators run the place we will never have a legit system.
     
  14. mcrain thread starter macrumors 68000

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    True, but my point is they tried to address the problems that helped cause the financial crisis and led to the consumer fraud that was rampant in the system. Now, the Republicans who ran on doing things better than Obama want to undo the things that are demonstrably working, and the things they are proposing are clearly not good for the situation.

    Makes no sense to me. Who voted for these people and their policies and why?
     
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    The SEC is the biggest problem, they didn't notice Madoff was running wild or banks were fluffing the books. Has the SEC ever really explained why they were so lax in dropping the hammer.
     
  16. mcrain thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Because the people in charge in the years leading up to the collapse of the scheme had no interest in overseeing Wall St. GWB put the people most interested in the failure of government agencies in charge of those agencies.

    Oh, and on top of that, every time the Democrats tried to increase regulatory budgets, what do you think the Republicans cried?
     
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    Sounds like someone needs to be reminded of Obama's Wall Street connections... ;)
     
  18. mcrain thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I'm not willing to say he's without his fair share of critique, but you can't deny that Wall St. reform wasn't passed in the prior administration despite the massive consumer abuse and impending meltdown.
     
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    I'm not denying anything; both Presidents have had their share of WS insiders.
     
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    This is a ridiculous statement. The "lost" jobs are not counterbalanced with the jobs created. The government could simply nationalize everything and say they created more than 100 million jobs but that would not be accurate. The government could always raise taxes or borrow to hire workers and claim they "created" those jobs but there is no telling how many jobs were destroyed or prevented because those figures are unavailable. On the opposite extreme, if the government cut their payrolls and consequently cut taxes, the government workers would lose their jobs but the private sector will have all the tax revenue which would have gone to the government. To say that the economy will lose the number of jobs the government has to cut is a complete lie or an example of complete ignorance at how the economy works.
     
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    Ben Bernanke says the 700,000 is blown a bit overboard, and I guess I trust him. However, he admitted that the cuts would probably lower demand in the economy, and kill jobs that way. Source, yes MSNBC.

    But still, what exactly has the GOP done to even theoretically create jobs?
     
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    It's an orange revolution! (apologies to all Ukranians out there)
     
  23. Pachang macrumors regular

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    Sigh, there so much confidence in this thread with no real understanding of economics.

    No one considered the possibility that cutting government spending creates jobs? Less money taken from the people to pay government employees means more private sector jobs.

    The USSR had 100% employment. Many people couldn't eat. That's because people had jobs but they weren't productive jobs.

    By definition government jobs are jobs that are not productive enough to be justified in the free market. There are some jobs that must necessarily be done by government (like police, army etc) but the objective of these jobs is NEVER creating jobs for the sake of it or achieving high employment. They must be done by government so they are. Getting rid of the jobs that are not needed to be done by government is one of the best things that can be done for the economy.

    By the way the republican cuts are far too small to make a difference anyway. Imo they should just let the democrats do whatever they want and run the country (further) into the ground.

    Haters gonna hate
     
  24. mcrain thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Actually, you don't have to "understand" the economics of it to see the patterns historically. I may not know the economic theory as well as some, but I can tell you that in the past, when we were in a recession, government spending led to government jobs and private sector jobs, which led to economic growth, which led to higher revenue, which led to prosperity, which led to cutting of taxes and less needed spending and a resulting contraction of government. On the flip side, do I need to say anything beyond Reagan and Bush for you to see how cutting taxes and cutting spending does not create prosperity? Reagan's tax cut led to a contraction of the economy. He within a year or so started increasing taxes, and guess what, the economy recovered.

    The economic boom of the Reagan years.
    What happens when you triple the national debt, Alex.

    Obviously, everything has to be done in moderation and with solid and reasoned analysis, and obviously, you can't overspend, overtax. Where are those on the right who understand that you can't underspend or undertax. They don't seem to exist anymore. Democrats logically understand that you can't tax 100% of income, and you can't nationalize everything, we aren't communists or Marxists regardless of what those on the right claim. Where are the Republicans who logically understand that you have to have a certain level of government spending and taxation for the economy to be healthy?

    Until they show up, how can we have a reasonable debate about serious issues that are affecting our country. The reasonable Republicans of the past have been replaced by childish caricatures of statesmen. To my friends on the right, have you ever bothered to look at the policy positions of people like Nixon, Reagan and Bush I? Your party has been hijacked by what was once considered by your own party as the right-wing fringe.
     
  25. itcheroni, Mar 2, 2011
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    How could they possibly increase the deficit so much if they both cut taxes and spending? They cut taxes but they increased spending. They gave lip service to cutting spending but never did it in aggregate. Cutting taxes doesn't do anything if the government is spending the money anyway. In your eyes, Reagan and Bush are different from Obama because, I'm guessing, you look at the taxes. I look at the spending and see that they're pretty much the same.
     

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