Where is the mental heath funding?!?

lostngone

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Lostngone here; this thread is going to involve firearms discussion. If this bothers you please feel free to ignore this thread.

People here have made claims that the NRA is nothing more then a gun industry lobby that is not interested in anything more then lining their pockets.

Isn't the root of these recent mass shooting mental health problems? So... where is all the support for funding and new laws for this? Do you think the NRA is to blame for lobbying against this as well?

All these anti-gun groups are sitting and waiting for the next tragedy to push their agenda yet none seem to want to deal with the real issues at hand now.
 

sammy-boy

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Maybe you should look at how mental health problems are treated in your country rather than scapegoating people with psychiatric problems to further your gun cause.

Sorry to get on my soapbox, I'm a mental Health nurse and getting a bit sick of all the stereotyping of people with mental health problems.
 

Renzatic

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The biggest problem is that back in the day it used to be really easy to spot someone crazy. They'd be all walking around, blinking their eyes weirdly, and screaming "THE GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON ALL OF US! THEY KNOW EVERYTHING WE'RE SAYING, AND THEY TRACK US WITH COMPUTERS THAT LISTEN TO US AND KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THEY KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AT ALL TIMES! BEWARE! BEEWWWAARRREE!". You'd dismiss them right away, cuz that's crazy talk!

...these days? Hell, it just means they've been reading the news. You have to wait for them to start screaming "BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI" before you can make a judgement call.
 

Eraserhead

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The biggest problem is that back in the day it used to be really easy to spot someone crazy. They'd be all walking around, blinking their eyes weirdly, and screaming "THE GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON ALL OF US! THEY KNOW EVERYTHING WE'RE SAYING, AND THEY TRACK US WITH COMPUTERS THAT LISTEN TO US AND KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THEY KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AT ALL TIMES! BEWARE! BEEWWWAARRREE!". You'd dismiss them right away, cuz that's crazy talk!

...these days? Hell, it just means they've been reading the news. You have to wait for them to start screaming "BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI" before you can make a judgement call.
So a search for "anti gun groups mental health" is a pretty good start to find them ;).
 

.Andy

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I agree with sammy-boy and reject your scapegoat premise that mental health is the predominant driver for the horrible societal impact of guns in the US.
But would definitely support a levy on all gun and ammunition sales to fund public health and mental health causes. Of course this would mean gun owners would have to be serious about the issue and not just paying lip service to defend their hobby.
 

rdowns

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Yet another gun thread from lostngone that misfired.


The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) today announced that it plans to issue a $50 million funding opportunity announcement to help Community Health Centers establish or expand behavioral health services for people living with mental illness, and drug and alcohol problems. Community Health Centers will be able to use these new funds, made available through the Affordable Care Act, for efforts such as hiring new mental health and substance use disorder professionals, adding mental health and substance use disorder services, and employing team-based models of care.
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2013pres/12/20131210a.html


NRA Opposes Administration's Plan to Broaden Reach of Mental Health-Related Gun Bans

NRA gutted 2007 mental health registry law
 

VulchR

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Lostngone here; this thread is going to involve firearms discussion. If this bothers you please feel free to ignore this thread.

People here have made claims that the NRA is nothing more then a gun industry lobby that is not interested in anything more then lining their pockets.

Isn't the root of these recent mass shooting mental health problems? So... where is all the support for funding and new laws for this? Do you think the NRA is to blame for lobbying against this as well?

All these anti-gun groups are sitting and waiting for the next tragedy to push their agenda yet none seem to want to deal with the real issues at hand now.
I agree wholeheartedly. We need to put much more resources into mental health care. Let us start with a federal sales tax on firearms and ammunition - would, say, about 50% do? That would be quite a shot in the arm, so to speak, for mental health spending since the firearm industry sales are about $32 billion a year in the US. So many empty shotgun cartridges, so many mentally ill people walking the streets homeless....
 
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Huntn

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Lostngone here; this thread is going to involve firearms discussion. If this bothers you please feel free to ignore this thread.

People here have made claims that the NRA is nothing more then a gun industry lobby that is not interested in anything more then lining their pockets.

Isn't the root of these recent mass shooting mental health problems? So... where is all the support for funding and new laws for this? Do you think the NRA is to blame for lobbying against this as well?

All these anti-gun groups are sitting and waiting for the next tragedy to push their agenda yet none seem to want to deal with the real issues at hand now.
Sorry, can't afford it. :rolleyes:
 

samiwas

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Lostngone here; this thread is going to involve firearms discussion. If this bothers you please feel free to ignore this thread.

People here have made claims that the NRA is nothing more then a gun industry lobby that is not interested in anything more then lining their pockets.

Isn't the root of these recent mass shooting mental health problems? So... where is all the support for funding and new laws for this? Do you think the NRA is to blame for lobbying against this as well?

All these anti-gun groups are sitting and waiting for the next tragedy to push their agenda yet none seem to want to deal with the real issues at hand now.
I'm sure the new Georgia gun law is like porn for you. Waiving prosecution for felons with illegal firearms? Check. Removing the requirement for gun dealers to be licensed? Check. Sounds like a good time.

As for the mental health thing, get your brood on board with universal healthcare and maybe we can see something done. Or maybe just claim they are all threatening you....
 

Arran

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Let's see:

Lostngone here; this thread is going to involve firearms discussion. If this bothers you please feel free to ignore this thread.
Not a problem. I'm in.

People here have made claims that the NRA is nothing more then a gun industry lobby that is not interested in anything more then lining their pockets.
Quoted for truth.

Isn't the root of these recent mass shooting mental health problems?
What? You're saying the NRA members behind this have mental health issues? Quite likely.

So... where is all the support for funding and new laws for this? Do you think the NRA is to blame for lobbying against this as well?
Yep, I agree. We need to fund some new laws against the NRA.

All these anti-gun groups are sitting and waiting for the next tragedy to push their agenda yet none seem to want to deal with the real issues at hand now.
Well, the bad guys have guns. So what do you expect?

:rolleyes:
 

macmesser

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I agree with sammy-boy and reject your scapegoat premise that mental health is the predominant driver for the horrible societal impact of guns in the US.
But would definitely support a levy on all gun and ammunition sales to fund public health and mental health causes. Of course this would mean gun owners would have to be serious about the issue and not just paying lip service to defend their hobby.
I guess a levy for mental health on everything would be OK with you?
 

lostngone

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Sorry to get on my soapbox, I'm a mental Health nurse and getting a bit sick of all the stereotyping of people with mental health problems.

Sorry I wasn't trying to stereotype people with mental health issues. In fact people in this forum have made claims that I suffer from a long list of mental heath issues myself.


What I am trying to do is point out the hypocrisy of these gun-grabbers that claim they want to help people by passing these "mental health bills" laced with anti-gun legislation or legislation that allows the government to strip peoples Rights without due process.

Where are these gun-grabbers now? Working hard to really help people or sitting there waiting for the next tragedy to sell their wares?
 

Macky-Mac

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....Where are these gun-grabbers now? Working hard to really help people or sitting there waiting for the next tragedy to sell their wares?

I suppose they're frustrated by the efforts of the gun merchants who aways work to block such funding.

Anyway, when it comes to "waiting for the next tragedy to sell their wares", nobody out performs the gun merchants in that department......here's a past thread that shows the huge run up in prices and profits to be made selling guns after one of those tragedies you mentioned.
 

.Andy

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What I am trying to do is point out the hypocrisy of these gun-grabbers that claim they want to help people by passing these "mental health bills" laced with anti-gun legislation or legislation that allows the government to strip peoples Rights without due process.
Who are the gun grabbers you are referring to and what legislation are you referring to?

How about going to some effort and posting a thread to discuss specific legislative proposals rather than try to construct a terrible strawman whine?
 

lostngone

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I suppose they're frustrated by the efforts of the gun merchants who aways work to block such funding.
Source please.... So far none the links in this thread have shown the NRA targeted any bill based on mental health care portion of these bills.

Anyway, when it comes to "waiting for the next tragedy to sell their wares", nobody out performs the gun merchants in that department......here's a past thread that shows the huge run up in prices and profits to be made selling guns after one of those tragedies you mentioned.
Please! That is simple supply and demand. It isn't the merchants or manufactures fault that demand sky rockets after one of these events.
The reason for the demand isn't caused by the NRA or manufactures it is caused by the gun-grabbers telling everyone they want to ban the sales of said items.
 

lostngone

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Quick! They want to take your guns! Buy a bunch of our weapons now so you're grandfathered in when the government comes to take away your GOD GIVEN RIGHT!

:money pours in:
The problem is the grabbers learned from the '94 AWB and if they get their way grandfather'ing isn't going to be there.
 

Huntn

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I'm sure the new Georgia gun law is like porn for you. Waiving prosecution for felons with illegal firearms? Check. Removing the requirement for gun dealers to be licensed? Check. Sounds like a good time.

As for the mental health thing, get your brood on board with universal healthcare and maybe we can see something done. Or maybe just claim they are all threatening you....
I close my eyes imagining the future and don't like what I see.
 

Macky-Mac

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Source please.... So far none the links in this thread have shown the NRA targeted any bill based on mental health care portion of these bills....
not true.....as an example from on of rdowns links shows;

On Monday, NRA filed formal comments in opposition to a plan by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to expand the categories of persons prohibited under federal law from acquiring or possessing firearms because of having been "adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to a mental institution."
....Please! That is simple supply and demand. It isn't the merchants or manufactures fault that demand sky rockets after one of these events.
The reason for the demand isn't caused by the NRA or manufactures it is caused by the gun-grabbers telling everyone they want to ban the sales of said items.
it's panic buying deliberately stoked by the gun merchants ......and there were a number of examples in that thread showing the whole stoking the fear technique to scare people into paying vastly inflated prices in. They're simply preying on the gullible.

Anyway, when it comes to the issue of whether people with mental health problems should have guns, where do you stand? Are you a proponent of having people with mental health problems have easy access to guns?
 
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Renzatic

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I close my eyes imagining the future and don't like what I see.
In case you somehow missed one of the thousands of times I've brought it up in the past, I live in Georgia. When Deal signed that gun rights expansion into law, I had a conversation with my mom and dad, both pretty conservative leaning people for all intents and purposes, about the effect it'd have on society. My mom put it best...

"I feel like I need to start carrying a gun around to protect myself from all the people who'll be carrying guns around".

And my reply just about mirrored yours.

"Yeah, welcome to the future".