which bugs of the 1st gen/"beta" rMBP do you think the first rMBP update will fix?

SphericalPear

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as discussed in the press, as well as in many threads in this very forum, the rMBP is a first-generation product of unprecedented "betaness", with an update expected to be in order sooner than usually.

that being said, which bugs of the 1st gen/"beta" rMBP do you think the first rMBP update will fix? when will that much-needed update come? or will they update the rMBP 15" before they will bring out the 13"? will the problematic 15" release experience slow down the release of the 13"?

thanks for any thoughts!
 

AZREOSpecialist

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Wow, just wow. A speculative thread about what "might" happen a year from now with a future update to a product that just barely hit the shelves, citing non-existent "bugs" that have been "discussed in the press" without providing any links or specifics to which "bugs" this person is referring to.

Completely useless. I don't normally feed trolls, but I had to say something. I have a 2.6/16/512 RMBP and I am having no issues whatsoever. The screen is fantastic, colors are vibrant and beautiful, whites are whiter than any of my previous MBP displays, absolutely no performance issues at all with the Retina display - everything is smooth as butter under Mountain Lion.

If you want to know what next year's RMBP will contain, wait until next year. If you have specific feedback for Apple on features and/or fixes to things you consider "bugs", by all means please go to apple.com and provide them with feedback. You are just trying to stir up trouble by starting a thread like this, I don't discern any sincere desire from your vague, bait post.
 

terraphantm

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Wow, just wow. A speculative thread about what "might" happen a year from now with a future update to a product that just barely hit the shelves, citing non-existent "bugs" that have been "discussed in the press" without providing any links or specifics to which "bugs" this person is referring to.

Completely useless. I don't normally feed trolls, but I had to say something. I have a 2.6/16/512 RMBP and I am having no issues whatsoever. The screen is fantastic, colors are vibrant and beautiful, whites are whiter than any of my previous MBP displays, absolutely no performance issues at all with the Retina display - everything is smooth as butter under Mountain Lion.

If you want to know what next year's RMBP will contain, wait until next year. If you have specific feedback for Apple on features and/or fixes to things you consider "bugs", by all means please go to apple.com and provide them with feedback. You are just trying to stir up trouble by starting a thread like this, I don't discern any sincere desire from your vague, bait post.

My thoughts exactly. This has been the best laptop I've ever used. Any improvements they make will just be icing on the cake. After realizing my LG display has an A-TW polarizer, I realized that the mild coloration issues are due to that. But it's well worth it since the polarizer eliminates the IPS glow.

I have to speculate if they'll go to a higher native resolution in the future (250ppi). And of course in time the hardware will get faster.
 

NStocks

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I think it's important to remember that "Rev A" products are generally referred to when the WHOLE product has been altered mechanically in a extreme and significant way.

Much like the transition to the pre-unibody design, REV A products including the Macbook Air were greatly discussed on here. Apple has a solid 3 years of Unibody design knowledge. It's not a new Air, it's not a radically different Pro (compared to multiple plastic components VS one piece of aluminium), it's a bit of both. When you think about it, the retina MBP hasn't changed in terms of entire case construction, just key parts have changed, such as the air flow (which we know is already a great improvement), the screen is "integrated". I'm not really sure what may "go wrong". Take for instance the first batch if you will of unibody Pro's; removable doors. Although it didn't really fail, Apple removed it as they could see greater improvement by simply replacing it with one piece and more screws perhaps.

I'm waiting for my RetinaMBP arrive, so you could say I'm speculating, but I have used the 2008, 2009 and 2010 MBP's and can clearly see how they have changed, and where "bugs" may be present. Put it simply, I don't think there are any "bugs" in the RMBP or even the CMBP. Internals change all the time but they aren't changed due to a "bug". (of course apart from Nvidia's chipest a few years ago...)
 

gentlefury

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as discussed in the press, as well as in many threads in this very forum, the rMBP is a first-generation product of unprecedented "betaness", with an update expected to be in order sooner than usually.

that being said, which bugs of the 1st gen/"beta" rMBP do you think the first rMBP update will fix? when will that much-needed update come? or will they update the rMBP 15" before they will bring out the 13"? will the problematic 15" release experience slow down the release of the 13"?

thanks for any thoughts!
Obviously spoken as someone that doesn't own one. This is the best computer I have ever owned (it beats my Mac Pro!) You obviously have no idea what your talking about and are just looking for attention.
 

wiznet

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Obviously spoken as someone that doesn't own one. This is the best computer I have ever owned (it beats my Mac Pro!) You obviously have no idea what your talking about and are just looking for attention.
I concur.

OP, buy one - and try it. Then you'll realize this thread is completely useless and unnecessary. This just makes you look like an idiot to all of us that have one.
 

iamthedudeman

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I wouldnt call it unprecedented "betaness. But there are a few issues, which will be ironed out the next refresh. Burn in, ghosting,to name a few etc. Every rev A product has a few. No big deal though, it is still a great machine.

I had a retina the first week it was out, and my apps were not optimized for the retina screen. Not having apps 'retina ready' is a 'issue'. So I returned it. Will buy again once more apps that I use are updated. I bought a cmbp 2012 in the meantime. More and more apps are coming out, and by next refresh most apps will be up to date.

But I wouldn't call that a problem with the rmbp, just everyone needs to catch up to the screen quality.

Will they tweak the design, maybe, they will probably leave it as is. But anything is possible. One thing for sure the speeds will get faster with haswell, the thermals will be lower. The screen lag issue will be history with haswell. Mountain lion helped but it did not go away for all users.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8

The reason in my opinion is the HD 4000 drives the display, not the GPU for most tasks. HD 5000 in haswell will be 2.5 times faster. That will go away. Still a minor issue for getting such a great screen.
 
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Queen6

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the rMBP is a first-generation product of unprecedented "betaness",
Clearly never used or own a Retina; first generation yes, they will get faster offer stronger graphics, software will develop, the Retina will be Apple`s point of focus they can only get better and as of today with over 30 years of personal computer experience the Retina MacBook Pro is simply stunning; display, performance, aesthetics, portability, off mains run time, engineering, the detail...

As the individual you must filter the content of the internet very carefully, everyone is a "Pro", everyone is the "expert", for the most part they are not, some are well informed, the majority far from it. If you need help to make a significant purchase, or qualification on hardware, wait for a recognised source, not the kid with 10 minutes hands on in Best Buy ;)
 

AirThis

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that being said, which bugs of the 1st gen/"beta" rMBP do you think the first rMBP update will fix?

thanks for any thoughts!
Bugs? What bugs?!? :eek: Oh... wait... you mean the ones lying between the keyboard and the chair! Well, they've been trying to fix those for decades. But I've yet to see a truely effective solution to the problem. I doubt the next rMBP will change anything. :D
 

mjn298

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The big issue is on the electrical engineering front, getting the powerhouse GPUs to run cool enough to fit in the rMBP's form factor without making the thing into an oven.

GT 650m (even factory overclocked like it is in the rMBP to exceed the gtx 660m's speeds) probably isn't enough and as engineering inevitably moves forward we'll see price drops and increased performance.

That said, they seem to be working fine but you can't have it all and they offered the best available current solution.
 

sofianito

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classicMBP with Retina display and Better i/d GPU would be the best option for Apple to increase MacBook Pro sales :D
 

Rajpdx

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as discussed in the press, as well as in many threads in this very forum, the rMBP is a first-generation product of unprecedented "betaness", with an update expected to be in order sooner than usually.

that being said, which bugs of the 1st gen/"beta" rMBP do you think the first rMBP update will fix? when will that much-needed update come? or will they update the rMBP 15" before they will bring out the 13"? will the problematic 15" release experience slow down the release of the 13"?

thanks for any thoughts!
If you want reasonable answers it's best to ask reasonable questions. As your questions are loaded - quite significantly so - you're going to get a random hodge podge of replies from people like me, who have no idea what on earth you're talking about to people who have issues with their machines.

Pointless.
 

SphericalPear

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Thanks for the advice. Some of the answers have been honest and useful, so I am optimistic that some users will continue to have something reasonable to contribute.

As for your criticism of my post being "loaded" - maybe that's why some of the posters responded emotionally, especially those whose laptops have passed the 14-day return period. But this is about unimportant consumer products, not about religion. So I do not see how my questions could be "loaded"...


If you want reasonable answers it's best to ask reasonable questions. As your questions are loaded - quite significantly so - you're going to get a random hodge podge of replies from people like me, who have no idea what on earth you're talking about to people who have issues with their machines.

Pointless.


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i agree that ghosting and screen lag are some of the really ridiculous bugs that the next MBPr wil hopefully fix with better hardware.


I wouldnt call it unprecedented "betaness. But there are a few issues, which will be ironed out the next refresh. Burn in, ghosting,to name a few etc. Every rev A product has a few. No big deal though, it is still a great machine.

I had a retina the first week it was out, and my apps were not optimized for the retina screen. Not having apps 'retina ready' is a 'issue'. So I returned it. Will buy again once more apps that I use are updated. I bought a cmbp 2012 in the meantime. More and more apps are coming out, and by next refresh most apps will be up to date.

But I wouldn't call that a problem with the rmbp, just everyone needs to catch up to the screen quality.

Will they tweak the design, maybe, they will probably leave it as is. But anything is possible. One thing for sure the speeds will get faster with haswell, the thermals will be lower. The screen lag issue will be history with haswell. Mountain lion helped but it did not go away for all users.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8

The reason in my opinion is the HD 4000 drives the display, not the GPU for most tasks. HD 5000 in haswell will be 2.5 times faster. That will go away. Still a minor issue for getting such a great screen.


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i am glad that you (and apparently some others) are not bothered by the bugs so far. i wish you all the best with your laptop.

Wow, just wow. A speculative thread about what "might" happen a year from now with a future update to a product that just barely hit the shelves, citing non-existent "bugs" that have been "discussed in the press" without providing any links or specifics to which "bugs" this person is referring to.

Completely useless. I don't normally feed trolls, but I had to say something. I have a 2.6/16/512 RMBP and I am having no issues whatsoever. The screen is fantastic, colors are vibrant and beautiful, whites are whiter than any of my previous MBP displays, absolutely no performance issues at all with the Retina display - everything is smooth as butter under Mountain Lion.

If you want to know what next year's RMBP will contain, wait until next year. If you have specific feedback for Apple on features and/or fixes to things you consider "bugs", by all means please go to apple.com and provide them with feedback. You are just trying to stir up trouble by starting a thread like this, I don't discern any sincere desire from your vague, bait post.
 

theuserjohnny

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I wouldnt call it unprecedented "betaness. But there are a few issues, which will be ironed out the next refresh. Burn in, ghosting,to name a few etc. Every rev A product has a few. No big deal though, it is still a great machine.

I had a retina the first week it was out, and my apps were not optimized for the retina screen. Not having apps 'retina ready' is a 'issue'. So I returned it. Will buy again once more apps that I use are updated. I bought a cmbp 2012 in the meantime. More and more apps are coming out, and by next refresh most apps will be up to date.

But I wouldn't call that a problem with the rmbp, just everyone needs to catch up to the screen quality.

Will they tweak the design, maybe, they will probably leave it as is. But anything is possible. One thing for sure the speeds will get faster with haswell, the thermals will be lower. The screen lag issue will be history with haswell. Mountain lion helped but it did not go away for all users.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8

The reason in my opinion is the HD 4000 drives the display, not the GPU for most tasks. HD 5000 in haswell will be 2.5 times faster. That will go away. Still a minor issue for getting such a great screen.
It'll help with the problem but it won't fix it, that same review even says it near the end in which it says

"Future CPUs will take this added workload into account, but it’ll take time to get there."

And for context he's reference he's talking about how the HD4000 is pushing the screen...

"Remember at 2880 x 1800 there are simply more pixels to push and more work to be done by both the CPU and the GPU. It’s even worse in those applications that have higher quality assets: the CPU now has to decode images at 4x the resolution of what it’s used to. Future CPUs will take this added workload into account, but it’ll take time to get there."
 

AZREOSpecialist

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The screen lag issue will be history with haswell. Mountain lion helped but it did not go away for all users.
Sorry to burst this bubble, but I had no screen "lag" issues under Lion or Mountain Lion. None whatsoever anywhere - not in Dashboard, Launchpad, Mission Control, or UI animations. The only area where I experienced some unusual slow-down was trying to scroll through some script-heavy web sites after pinching/zooming. Otherwise there are no issues at all.

I don't know why you and some other people are experiencing "lag", but as an owner and daily user I can confidently tell you that this is pure nonsense.
 

terraphantm

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Thanks for the advice. Some of the answers have been honest and useful, so I am optimistic that some users will continue to have something reasonable to contribute.

As for your criticism of my post being "loaded" - maybe that's why some of the posters responded emotionally, especially those whose laptops have passed the 14-day return period. But this is about unimportant consumer products, not about religion. So I do not see how my questions could be "loaded"...




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i agree that ghosting and screen lag are some of the really ridiculous bugs that the next MBPr wil hopefully fix with better hardware.




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i am glad that you (and apparently some others) are not bothered by the bugs so far. i wish you all the best with your laptop.
Your post is loaded in the sense that it does not take a neutral stance. It assumes that all the criticism is correct and all the flaws mentioned are present in every single laptop. It does not take into account the significant number of people who have not had any issues with their laptops

The animation lag is present - but it is overblown. Under most scenarios it is not present. I don't think it's unreasonable to have an extremely high resolution display cause some animations to stutter a small percentage of the time. If Apple had always waited for everything to be 100% smooth before releasing a product, we wouldn't have had any Macbook pros period until a year or two ago.

Ghosting - I personally don't have any on my display. I believe it's just a manufacturing process thing that will be (or already has been) corrected during the production run if this "rev A" rMBP.

Some of the uniformity errors people are complaining about might not be defects at all. It appears that many people are seeing the side-effect of the A-TW polarizer, namely red/green hues when viewed off angle. The benefit of the A-TW polarizer is that it nearly eliminates the IPS glow. If you look at almost any other IPS screen, you'll notice dark images viewed off angle have a very bright purple, white, or orange glow. IMO the tradeoff is worth it. Keep in mind that the only monitors available today with A-TW polarizers are 24" models that go for $2000+ (HP LP2480ZX comes to mind)
 

zalo

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i am glad that you (and apparently some others) are not bothered by the bugs so far. i wish you all the best with your laptop.
I wouldn't say that I am not bothered by the bugs. I would say that I haven't witnessed any.

I am not saying that some people haven't had problems. Those that found something wrong are more outspoken, making it seem like a more widespread issue than it actually is.
 

PS65

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Wow, just wow. A speculative thread about what "might" happen a year from now with a future update to a product that just barely hit the shelves, citing non-existent "bugs" that have been "discussed in the press" without providing any links or specifics to which "bugs" this person is referring to.

Completely useless. I don't normally feed trolls, but I had to say something. I have a 2.6/16/512 RMBP and I am having no issues whatsoever. The screen is fantastic, colors are vibrant and beautiful, whites are whiter than any of my previous MBP displays, absolutely no performance issues at all with the Retina display - everything is smooth as butter under Mountain Lion.

If you want to know what next year's RMBP will contain, wait until next year. If you have specific feedback for Apple on features and/or fixes to things you consider "bugs", by all means please go to apple.com and provide them with feedback. You are just trying to stir up trouble by starting a thread like this, I don't discern any sincere desire from your vague, bait post.
Good response.
 

stevelam

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as discussed in the press, as well as in many threads in this very forum, the rMBP is a first-generation product of unprecedented "betaness", with an update expected to be in order sooner than usually.

that being said, which bugs of the 1st gen/"beta" rMBP do you think the first rMBP update will fix? when will that much-needed update come? or will they update the rMBP 15" before they will bring out the 13"? will the problematic 15" release experience slow down the release of the 13"?

thanks for any thoughts!
hopefully all of the annoying little lag issues. the day to day usage stuff actually performs worse than my 2008 macbook simply because there isn't enough umph to power the retina display properly without slowdown/lag/glitchiness.
 

mjn298

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Is anandtech just making everything up, then?

i checked out rMBP's both before the ML release and after and i wasn't bothered by anything so I don't really get what's being complained about.
 

SphericalPear

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it turns out i am a major exporter of apple computers internationally... so i know quite a thing or two about the hardware and how it fares, and your concern about my economic situation is fortunately unfounded.


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that's exactly what my impression was.

do you think this will be fixed easily within the next 3 or so months in the 13"?

hopefully all of the annoying little lag issues. the day to day usage stuff actually performs worse than my 2008 macbook simply because there isn't enough umph to power the retina display properly without slowdown/lag/glitchiness.


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i agree that this is a hardware issue, not possible to solve with a software update. we unfortunately need to wait for the next MBPr to solve this.

It'll help with the problem but it won't fix it, that same review even says it near the end in which it says

"Future CPUs will take this added workload into account, but it’ll take time to get there."

And for context he's reference he's talking about how the HD4000 is pushing the screen...

"Remember at 2880 x 1800 there are simply more pixels to push and more work to be done by both the CPU and the GPU. It’s even worse in those applications that have higher quality assets: the CPU now has to decode images at 4x the resolution of what it’s used to. Future CPUs will take this added workload into account, but it’ll take time to get there."
 
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mjn298

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it turns out i am a major exporter of apple computers internationally... so i know quite a thing or two about the hardware and how it fares, and your concern about my economic situation is fortunately unfounded.
I think he was referring to me with that

but no duh, i'm not an nvidia or intel engineer so I don't know the full capabilities of these GPUs but I have read in a number of places that they weren't designed for the demand placed on them.

Also my credibility is zero because i said "probably" in a thread asking "what do you think"



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