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Love-hate 🍏 relationship

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I feel the iPhone 15 usb-c will still have that terrible lightning speed (aka usb-c 2.0)

Only the ultra will have higher speeds ,and perhaps the pro as well. But certaintely not the base models

What do you think
 

Fat_Guy

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If you don’t buy your cable from Apple you probably won’t get the fastest speed. They say the Ultra will get Thunderbolt - so much for the EU!
 
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BigBlur

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I think if they were to do that, they would have done it to the iPad Air too, to help differentiate them from the Pros a little more. The USB-C iPad Airs have faster transfer speeds, but don’t have Thunderbolt like the Pros do. (Air 4 is 5Gbps, and Air 5 is 10Gbps.)
 

1096bimu

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I feel the iPhone 15 usb-c will still have that terrible lightning speed (aka usb-c 2.0)

Only the ultra will have higher speeds ,and perhaps the pro as well. But certaintely not the base models

What do you think
you mean the same as the Android phones with USB-C?
I mean that's not great but I don't care because I'm not sure what am I supposed to be transferring with ultra fast speeds.
 
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snipr125

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Your probably right OP, but even a base level USB C port will be faster at transferring data than Lightning.
 

russell_314

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I feel the iPhone 15 usb-c will still have that terrible lightning speed (aka usb-c 2.0)

Only the ultra will have higher speeds ,and perhaps the pro as well. But certaintely not the base models

What do you think
I don’t think anyone who buys a regular iPhone cares about transfer speed. Before anyone says “but I do”, I’m talking about the vast majority of people and there’s always going to be that one.

The only thing most people care about is can they charge their Nintendo switch with the same adapter as their iPhone.
 

Ryan1524

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It’s probably cheaper for Apple to apply the same USB subsystem to all the phones, instead of just the Ultra.

And doing anything like that would be really customer-hostile.
 
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Cram

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you mean the same as the Android phones with USB-C?
I mean that's not great but I don't care because I'm not sure what am I supposed to be transferring with ultra fast speeds.
I must admit, I have no idea what people transfer that needs ultra high transfer speeds.
 
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JapanApple

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well, I wanted USB c with the apple 14 pro max. Then I thought why care? use the mag charger and forget about the charging port forever. why I bought I.
 

RamGuy

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Interconnects are always about removing the bottleneck. If the NAND is capable of transferring let's say 1,5 Gbps, then you'd want the port on the device to be able to achieve this speed. It might not matter to most people, but it's still silly to be hamstrung by the port of the device when the storage itself is able to transfer at much greater speeds.

Personally, I don't care, at least not on my iPhone. I don't connect anything to my phone, or my phone to anything these days. Charging is being done via MagSafe/Qi Charging and I have not had any reason for connecting my phone to my Mac for several years for anything other than doing IPWS downgrade/upgrades/reinstalls and those would get faster with increased transfers speeds on the port, but I don't do it often so I don't really care that much about it. I will also do a full local backup whenever moving from one phone to the other just in case something happens, but the transfer itself is always being done by the direct transfer option that was added in iOS 12 and got improved upon in iOS 14 if I'm not mistaken.

I still find it odd for Apple to insist on keeping Lightning with USB2.0 considering how greatly the NAND speed has increase year over year. I still prefer Lightning as a port compared to USB-C as it feels far more solid. I've had so many USB-C ports starting to lose their grip resulting in cables losing with just slight movement. Never have I had any struggle with this using Lightning. But Lightning from a technological standpoint is starting to get really long in the tooth and the fact that everyone else is moving towards USB-C makes it really annoying to have accessories that still require me to drag along USB-C to Lightning cables wherever I go. MagSafe has started to remove the need for this, but I see no reason for Apple to not embrace USB-C, especially considering they've been pushing USB-C for so long on the Mac already.

We need USB-C rev.2 where they add some kind of locking mechanism to the cable, as we have on Displayport cables. Keep the same port so rev.1 and rev.2 is interchangeable, but please come up with a solution for cables barely staying in the port after a while. Makes USB-C so annoying.

And while you are at it EU, why not enforce accessory manufactures to at least offer USB-C options? Whenever I purchase a mouse, keyboard, webcam or microphone. They all tend to only offer USB-A. Some have moved to use USB-C on the device itself like my webcam has USB-C on the device itself, but the cable that came with it was still only USB-A to USB-C. We've been at this for so long, it's time to simply make USB-C mandatory on both sides of the cable.. This would obviously enforce all PC makers, makers of motherboards, notebooks and whatnot to follow suit and offer enough USB-C ports on the machines. Just make everything USB-C already, on both ends..
 
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RamGuy

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I feel the iPhone 15 usb-c will still have that terrible lightning speed (aka usb-c 2.0)

Only the ultra will have higher speeds ,and perhaps the pro as well. But certaintely not the base models

What do you think

Wouldn't make any sense. You are trying to apply logic in a way that from a manufacturing point of view wouldn't make any sense. Lightning stays USB2.0 because Apple refuses to improve upon it. And I don't think they would be able to do it either without making physical changes as it only features 8-pins.

Apple sticking with USB2.0 after moving to USB-C does not make any sense as it's not cheaper, but most likely more expensive for Apple to have USB2.0 controllers in their iPhones compared to USB 3.X or even USB4.0/Thunderbolt.

The demand for USB-C with USB2.0 controllers are non-existent in 2022. For Apple to source, something like this from Texas Instruments or whoever Apple is sourcing their controllers from would be more expensive as Texas Instruments is not manufacturing anything of the sort already. This is how technology advances, when you are on the cutting edge you pay more as its more expensive for manufacturers to create whatever is the cutting edge technology. With time manufacturing matures and becomes far more cost-efficient and the prices start to plummet. When whatever is the current cutting-edge is moving from being the expensive "cutting-edge" option into becoming the more mainstream and mature option, you get a new and improved "cutting-edge" option that is better compared to what we had before and whatever was the previous mature option starts to become obsolete as there is no point in keep manufacturing this old technology as the demand diminishes.

The sweet spot for price and availability for Apple when moving to USB-C will for sure not be USB2.0. It's more of a question of whether it's going to be USB3.0, 3.1, 3.2 or 4.0. 4.0 is unlikely as it's far more expensive compared to USB3.2 as of today and seems unnecessary on a phone unless they for some reason want support for Thunderbolt which still sounds unnecessary on a phone. Considering the NAND speed of current iPhones it doesn't seem like they need to go with anything other than USB3.0, but they might go with 3.1 or 3.2 as those options aren't necessarily more expensive to source.
 

Cram

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One minute of ProRes is 6GB. And you know, for people who just want to just back up their iPhone.
Don't know what ProRes is, but I've never had an issue with backing up my phone. Certainly never had to do it in a hurry.
 

JPack

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Don't know what ProRes is, but I've never had an issue with backing up my phone. Certainly never had to do it in a hurry.

It takes an hour with a 128GB device. Apple sells 1TB iPhones.
 

Jackbequickly

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I only use the port for charging so lightning/USB-C does not matter to me. Apple can and will control what your iPhone can do with USB-C.
 
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