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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, May 1, 2014.
you are now free to move around the country,,,,,,,as long as you pay the appropriate toll
This could certainly change the landscape for traveling in the USA. Return of Route 66?
There's literally no way this plan could possibly go wrong.
Nope, none whatsoever. Guaranteed win-win.
Raising the gas tax is a better idea than this…. And considering the administration wants more fuel efficient cars on the road, it's a win-win there.
Your idea definitely has the potential to raise more revenue. That's why I could see the GOP being against it. They seem to be against revenue if it goes to the government.
I'm on both sides of the fence for this.
Recently, I took a flight to Oklahoma City to get to my grandmother's 80th birthday party. The party was in Hugo, Oklahoma. From OKC, the quickest route to Hugo was to take I-40 east to Henryetta, then the Indian Nation Turnpike south to Hugo.
Alternatively for my parents coming down from Omaha, they had to take I-29 south to Kansas City, to US-71 South (now I-49) to Joplin, then I-44 to Tulsa, to US-75 south to Henryetta, then the Indian Nation Turnpike. Hugo is the last exit on the Indian Nation Turnpike.
Now, and even my wife pointed this out (keep in mind, she's blind), that the stretch of I-40 from OKC to Henryetta was the worst kept stretch of road she had ever been on. The holes in the road, lack of maintenance, patching, etc., was atrocious; she has never been one to get carsick, and this came close for her. By contrast, the Indian Nation Turnpike was the smoothest out of that entire ride. Well kept, and very smooth. She tends to sleep on car rides, even on short distances. I-40 kept her awake. The turnpike did not.
The same was said about my parent's drive, as I-44 is the Will Rogers Turnpike. Smooth as a baby's bum once they hit it going towards the OK/MO state line.
My point: as much as toll roads suck, as you pay for its use, the money taken from it does go back into the maintenance of the road, and you do see and feel the results.
On a side note, I would LOVE to see Route 66 get revived. After being on it so many times without realizing it, I think it would have been cool to see how it looked in its heyday. Having been through Joplin, Sapaulpa, OKC, Kingman, Flagstaff, Seligman, Oatman, and Barstow so many times and not realizing what I was on, seeing the history of it, let alone having the chance to actually drive it would be really cool.
The issues with this is that it is a state tax not a federal, even though it is on roads maintained with federal money.
You still are, but the problem is that the gas tax isn't covering the bills to keep these interstates going, more money needs to be brought in to keep these roads paved and safe.
There is a federal gas tax as well as a state gas tax.
It's blatantly obvious that something needs to be restructured as far as funding our infrastructure is concerned. Our infrastructure is on the verge of collapse, because we've refused to fund it adequately. The USA has deferred maintenance for so long that its going to cost us big time now, the further it's put off the more expensive it becomes.
Why the hell have we been ignoring the obvious for 30+ years? I find it odd that the Baby Boomers were the ones that did all the can kicking, but are now outraged at the effects of their own voting and self interest. Thanks for the nearly third world infrastructure guys, I'm sure while we're climbing out of our mountain of student debt (again because the religion of Reaganomics we've been following for 30+ years, regardless of the makeup of Congress or the White House, refusing to invest in the youth and education adequately) that we'll be able to rebuild the country, and your nursing home costs.
But hey, I'm the self interested and lazy generation that caused all of this right?
That is true, there is a federal gas tax as well as a state gas tax. I mistakenly thought you were speaking of my suggested gas tax from another thread. My apologies.
Obama ****we Don't have a spending problem ****
WHY the hell is raising taxes the only "option" presented? lets end the freaking wars, why are we still giving foreign aid to other nations?
Here in NY, The Thruway (I-90 E/W and I-87 N/S from Albany to NYC) was supposed to be toll-free MANY years ago. We're STILL paying tolls on it, it costs $5.00+ for a passenger vehicle to get from Albany to almost NYC, or Albany to Rochester. To make matters worse, the Erie Canal is run by the NYS Thruway Authority, but doesn't bring in enough to cover its own costs so our tolls from the highway pay for upkeep on the canal.
They've done A LOT of work to it in the last few years but there are bridges that are just outdated and it'd be nice to have it toll-free but the tolls just keep going up.
Because we need that money to fund our police force.
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You don't have a spending problem. Government expenditure in the U.S. ranks way below average for OECD countries. Tax revenue, however, also ranks way below average.
You have a revenue problem, given that I can't think of any spending you could reasonably cut at this moment without stripping your Government to its bare-bones. Except the defence budget, of course, you could save hundreds of billions there.
more than happy to kill it.
Welcome to my world. I've been paying tolls on the area's Interstate highway for several decades.
Here is the problem, we are supposed to spend the gas tax on roads. But then they decide that the money would work better in the general fund so the roads don't get fixed. We used to have tolls in CT until there was a horrible fiery crash as a truck barreled through the toll and people were killed. Since then every attempt has been shot down. Plus traffic is bad enough as it is.
I agree fully, especially considering that our "aid" is almost entirely just giving countries money to buy our weapons. Employment programs for the last major manufacturing industry in America.
Which is why I'm glad for the Busway. As much as it's ridiculously overpriced, anything that will nudge our residents into mass transit is a welcome change in perspective.
What do you mean, opens the door to the idea? Has anyone ever driven through Ohio...
or New York...
or New Hampshire...
or West Virginia...
or New Jersey...
That's off the top of my head, the states I've paid tolls in while driving on the interstate. A road trip across the country factors in an extra hundred dollars just in tolls. The best part is none of these toll booths accept credit cards, so if you're caught by surprise at one, suddenly you're getting a $25 bill for a $1 toll in the mail, due to "processing fee."
Has no one ever driven in another country? Canada's roads are horrible. Ireland? Atrocious! UK? France? America's roads are so vastly superior in my experience. But you know what benefit they get in place of horrible roads? Single payer healthcare. On a recent trip to Winnipeg, while talking about the road system across western Canada, this was eloquently pointed out to me: "We have ****** roads, because our money goes to making sure we have healthcare."
So if the idea is now to propose even more tolls on the interstate, while we still do NOT have a national healthcare plan, then **** that. It's a double shaft with no true efficiency.
Add Florida to the list...
On the positive side, Georgia has no toll roads. Not a one. We have the Peach Pass Lane and we have a few toll bridges but not a single road with a toll on it.
So that explains some of why your state is so mismanaged financially that is takes more from the federal government than it pays.
Could be. Truthfully, Georgia has improved a lot since 2003. It does have quite a ways to go but it is making progress. Don't tell my neighbors but I was born in Akron. I escaped during the Celeste Administration.
Attached is a chart that illustrates your point.
The United States is highlighted in yellow ... well below the OECD average (red).