White House Outlines Trump's Immigration Proposal

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  1. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    I don't see this passing, for either side.

    Right after his White House released an immigration proposal demanding $25 billion for The Wall, Trump told CNBC, "I don't need $25 billion to build a wall...we'll have a lot of money left over, and we'll spend it on other things. "

    So now he wants a slush fund?



    https://www.npr.org/2018/01/25/580858256/white-house-releases-draft-immigration-plan
     
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    I no longer have words. All I can do is shake my head.
     
  3. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    Outside of military, SS and Medicare the rest of it is a slush fund.
     
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    He doesn’t “want” anything but adulation from his base and to rip off the taxpayers to enrich his business enterprise. He doesn’t need, want or care about a wall or anything else, and he has no stance. Pretty obvious when he tells you himself through his words and actions.
     
  6. Zenithal macrumors G3

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    Ah. I see you read that arts and literature article, too.
     
  7. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    If you want DACA, you are going to have a wall as well. Choose wisely.
     
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    Trump clearly needs a new porn star the last one has worn out had to pay $130,000 for it.
     
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    The bottom lines read a bit differently though. One is that Americans don't want DACA kids' chances derailed. Another is that DHS itself says the need for more security at the southern border is not all about more wall, that's only needed in certain areas and what they need is more patrol agents and more surveillance capability. The hardliners are not happy and said so to Stephen Miller but it looks like maybe the Congressional leadership on both sides of the fence have decided he's just a WH advisor after all, not the King of Deportations or whatever he's fancied himself.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-immigration-dreamers-234126

    https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/956671985181917185
     
  10. 0007776 Suspended

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    Hopefully they can just put the money towards other border security rather than wasting it on a wall. But if there is an attempt to build a wall it will get held up in the courts and environmental reviews until the next administration can terminate the project.
     
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    Well...on one hand you can look at the millions here (2-12 million) that are eligible (or relevant) to the DACA argument. OTOH, immigration from the South has gone down in recent years, and a Wall is perhaps not the most effective and/or cost-effective solution to the relevant problem. In both cases, Pragmatism, if you please.
     
  12. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    I don’t see either side agreeing to this, but we’ll see.

    Personally I think it’s a reasonably fair plan. I don’t think otherwise law abiding DACA residents should be expelled and there should be a path to citizenship. Consequently we reel in illegal immigration with increased boarder security (not entirely sure on the efficacy of a wall, regardless $25B seems like way too much to put towards this- maybe the Democrats can work that down). I don’t know much about the “chain migration” process and issues associated but it seems like our immigration system is flawed as is, so reworking the system seems necessary regardless.

    Frankly, Trumps framework offers these people more than what Obama’s executive action.
     
  13. Zwopple macrumors regular

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    But Mexico is going to pay for the wall? Why ask taxpayers for $25b for it?
     
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    Dems thought it was a good idea the first time fences were built, I'm sure they can swallow their pride for the 1 million illegals here who didn't choose it.
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    NAFTA negotiations aren't done yet.
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    That's not how compromise works, if the left wants to argue a wall isn't needed because flows are reduced temporarily, the right could just as easily say that the majority of DACA recipients are from that border so it must not be so bad down there anymore and they should return.
     
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    I’m not completely opposed to granting a path to citizenship to those covered by DACA. However, the problem with these amnesty programs is that they will attract millions more illegals, most of whom have no skills that would contribute to society. If people know that anyone can just hop across the border and stick around until the inevitable third round of amnesty then very soon the remaining 50% of Mexico’s population that hasn’t yet “immigrated” to the US, will.
     
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    Let’s talk about this when Dump knows what he wants. His wall that will be big and beautiful that Mexico pays for, but not not now because it needs to be included in the U.S. budget...
     
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    Then we can wait for them to finish and see if Trump is actually able to get that check from Mexico. Somehow I doubt he will.
     
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    Campaign promise by Trump: Mexico will pay for the bigly, beautiful wall.

    Reality: Americans will be forced to pay for a useless wall that does nothing to deter illegal immigration. And if they refuse to give in to demands, Trump will hold things like DACA hostage until the people relent or his cronies in Congress and the Senate can force it through via partisan voting.

    If Trump could be a dictator he would.
     
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    Have you read the memo? Not just a physical wall.
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    It is a starting point and a potentially bipartisan one at that. Both the hard left and hard right dislike it.
     
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    Trump goes back and forth on that aspect of it. I thought the most recent plan of his was for an actual physical barrier, but know I gotta how much Trump changes his mind he could be back to the actual security stuff now.
     
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    Could be. Just going by the latest which is the memo.
     
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    Regarding the OP, it looks like part of that proposal includes profits to private, for-profit lock’m up commercial jails. Many of the airlines have refused to make a profit when it comes to shippingg young children long distances away from their parents, ie they won’t accommodate the Federalies.. It was reported to day that phones calls out of detention centers to loved ones require a $25 deposit, charged at $8 per min. Money most of these people don’t have. But, hey, there are profits. :oops: Non-profit immigrant assistance organizations are raising money to help these poor people pick their way out of the real bite of Trump’s fake teeth.
     
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    The military's budget needs to be used to upgrade the outdated equipment but so far it isn't
    I want DACA to be abolished and the wall built
    Trump should but massive tariffs on Mexican goods to fund the wall
     
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    I don't think you're going to see that wall. Not built to the tune of 25B. Why should Mexico pay for anything if we're building the wall. I never understood why those who are conservative and believe people should pay their own way want another country to pay for a wall we want to build. Talk about passing the buck.
     
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    Mexico does nothing to stop the illegal immigrants who cross through their country. If they are entering this country illegally are they entering Mexico illegally too? What needs to happen is cut welfare programs for people who are too lazy to get a job and use those funds to build a wall
     

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