White St. Louis cop shot black off-duty officer

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  1. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    then claimed it was a ‘friendly fire’ incident
    http://fox2now.com/2017/06/22/off-duty-officer-wounded-by-fellow-cop-in-shootout/
     
  2. yaxomoxay macrumors 68000

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    Glad he's alive.
    Can't wait to see what the investigation finds out.
     
  3. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I awaiting for the apologists to find ways to blame the shot cop.
     
  4. yaxomoxay macrumors 68000

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    I read the article, it's really difficult to know who's to blame. It looks like the shooting cop made a huge mistake, and he might need to be fired and fined, but the dynamic is not really clear.
     
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    The video does provide a little more insight into what happened and as long as cops can use the universal "I was afraid so I shot" get out of jail card, stupid cops will continue to go unpunished.
     
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    eh, he'll be acquitted. Even video evidence doesn't matter anymore, all they have to do is just say they felt threatened.
     
  7. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    drama creation however is the new normal, especially if the people are of different colors.
     
  8. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I was going to add all the excuses I would here from people here but that was not one of them. Yours would be he did not know how to act around the police or his parents are responsible or he was stupid.
     
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    can't say if he was stupid, but he clearly was mistaken and fired when he shouldn't have. shame on him for making a mistake. I stand by my point that drama is usually drummed up whenever two colors clash.
     
  10. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I was talking about the black cop. I have heard all of those excuses why a white cop was OK for shooting a unarmed black guy.
     
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    he probably should have just stayed off-duty and minded his own business.
     
  12. weckart macrumors 68040

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    I think it will find he was openly black during a police operation.

    Communication sounds a bit fractured amongst the on duty officers.
     
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    Not the first time an incident like this has happened and, as long as there are stupid and cowardly cops carrying around guns, it will not be the last time. Cops need to be disarmed for the most part and they need to be run like the fire department. They stay at the station unless called out by 911 or a judge who has issued a warrant. We'd all be a lot safer that way.
     
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    So you admit to posting the article to fan flames? Trigger a hot debate?

    What's the definition of a troll?
     
  16. TonyC28 macrumors 65816

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    Guy screwed up and should be fired and charged. Exactly what kind of discussion were you hoping to provoke here?
     
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    I'm glad the cop is ok.

    It highlights just how dangerous it is for off-duty (and even on-duty plain clothes) cops to get involved in a dynamic developing enforcement action like this. When off-duty And in street clothes be nothing but a good witness except on an exceptional situation.
     
  18. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

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    yep it is the black guys fault it always is.
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    thats what I wanted to hear. but so often the shooting victim is blamed.
     
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    Well, we have to look at the dynamics of the accident. It can be either one's fault.
     
  20. rjohnstone macrumors 68040

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    Sounds like the off-duty officer followed procedure. He complied with commands and identified himself.
    The officer that shot him ****ed up. He needs to be disciplined for his actions.
    Remember... off-duty cops are still cops.
     
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    I thought cops are never off duty.
     
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    It's up to the agency. Especially if other cops are on the scene.
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    Well, there is a third person involved. The cop that told the guy to stand up. Was that by procedure, or did he do it only because he recognized him, going against procedure? No matter who the person on the ground is, even a relative or the Pope, there are procedures to follow to let a guy leave a crime scene and often it is to protect the people involved. So we might have a total messing up of procedures here.
     
  23. Gutwrench macrumors 65816

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    Generally speaking, in California fully sworn peace officers have powers 24 hours a day. What enforcement activity you take when in off-duty status is a matter of judgement based on your department policy and possibly the jurisdiction.

    The policy typically says something to the effect that taking enforcement action when off duty is discouraged but not prohibited. It then outlines some procedural and legal considerations to help in the decision.
     
  24. kobalap macrumors 6502

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    The shooter was afraid for his life. I mean, Betty Selby used that excuse to shoot an unarmed person and then got acquitted of all charges.
     
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    This is interesting. Like a dog chasing its tail.
     

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