Who believes Trump/Sessions accusation of Obama "starting" MS13?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by PracticalMac, Apr 22, 2017.

?

How much you belive the Trump/Sessions accusation about MS13?

Poll closed Apr 29, 2017.
  1. 100% accurate, Trump is always right

    5 vote(s)
    13.9%
  2. Mostly correct

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Mostly fiction

    1 vote(s)
    2.8%
  4. Pants on Fire false, fake, wrong

    30 vote(s)
    83.3%
  1. PracticalMac, Apr 22, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2017

    PracticalMac macrumors 68030

    PracticalMac

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    #1
    Who believes Trump/Sessions accusation Obama of starting MS13?

    In the recent Sessions press conference and Trump tweets they blamed the rise of violent gang MS13 on Obama, implying he allowed it to form (newly created) and grow (since recent inception).

    I just asking how many astute people here believe those statements before the facts are presented.

    Anonymous poll.

    (I am not even linking, letting you do your own research.)

    ----
    EDIT: clarification and spelling error fix
     
  2. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

    Chew Toy McCoy

    Joined:
    May 13, 2016
    #2
    So now Obama is a Hispanic Muslim born in another country. Alright I guess.

    You'd think we'd be battling these gangs and cartels south of the border who are probably more a direct threat than terrorists but I guess those countries don't have any resources for us to pillage which is always a minimum prerequisite.
     
  3. IronWaffle, Apr 22, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2017

    IronWaffle macrumors 6502

    IronWaffle

    #3
    No. Typical balderdash sprinkled with selective and speciously applied data.
     
  4. MacNut macrumors Core

    MacNut

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Location:
    CT
    #4
    Sessions DOJ is all about spreading fear and hate.
     
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    #5
    I don't believe a word that comes out of that man's mouth. He's not only a pathological liar, he's also an inveterate "blamer," pointing fingers at anybody regardless of the absurdity of his accusations.
     
  6. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

    MadeTheSwitch

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    #6
    Who's the person that said Trump is always right? I sure hope you were joking!
     
  7. MacNut macrumors Core

    MacNut

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Location:
    CT
    #7
    Nice to know Trump visits us here.
     
  8. ibookg409 Suspended

    ibookg409

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2016
    Location:
    Portsmouth, NH
    #8
    Hyperbole much?
     
  9. chown33 macrumors 604

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2009
    Location:
    Sailing beyond the sunset
    #9
    It was me. I did it for levity.

    Or maybe that's an alternative fact. Again for levity.
     
  10. Gutwrench Contributor

    Gutwrench

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2011
    #10

    "...Implying he allowed it to form and grow..."

    Implying? Is that your description or someone else's?

    I'm assuming it's yours (since you cowardly won't support yourself) and it's laughable since MS13 has been around since the late 80's. That's two decades before Obama even took office. I saw them in SF in the mid 90's. Today they're aligned with the Surenos. Get real PracticalMac.
     
  11. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

    Zombie Acorn

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2009
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    #11
    MS13 has grown its presence in the US due to Obama sleeping at the wheel, no doubt about that
     
  12. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

    JayMysterio

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2010
    Location:
    Rock Ridge, California
    #12
    How does a president reduce the 'presence' of a criminal group?

    Have other president's been held liable for the rise of other criminal organizations in the past like you want to hold Obama?

    MS13 is a result of refugees from the civil war in El Salvador from 1980 - 1992, are you going to blame the immigration policies or the policing during the runs of those presidents?

    Keep in mind during Obama, deportations to El Salvador, Guatemala, & Honduras accounted for almost a third of the total during some years.

    It's one thing to blame everything on presidents & quite a few will shoulder it, but it's also a bit unrealistic to blame every negative thing on a president that they had no direct hand in.
     
  13. duffman9000 macrumors 68000

    duffman9000

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2003
    Location:
    Deep in the Depths of CA
    #13
    Since you don't live here and I doubt you grew up in ground zero where MS started (like I did) what do you know about the gang except whatever right wing news feeds you?

    I remember MS and machete going hand in hand in the late 80's.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 22, 2017 ---
    In other news, the bloods and crips have been around through multiple presidencies. To right wing nuts I bet that's Obama's fault too.
     
  14. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

    Zombie Acorn

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2009
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    #14
    Weak borders allowed drugs and people to flow across, hiring thousands of more border staff, building a wall and deporting all of the illegals will take care of quite a bit of this issue.
     
  15. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    #15
    o_O Cowardly? Please. Let's not escalate leap to personal attacks so quickly.

    From USA Today ...
    However, when they tried to verify that claim, they could not find proof of it ...
    More ...
    And as usual ...
    The trump administration: quick to claim, quick to blame ... but not so good at backing it up.
     
  16. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

    JayMysterio

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2010
    Location:
    Rock Ridge, California
    #16
    So you are also blaming Carter, Reagan, and Bush Sr.?
     
  17. Gutwrench Contributor

    Gutwrench

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2011
    #17
    Hmmm, I hadn't thought describing his post as cowardly was actually a personal attack but of course it is. I apologize.

    He chose not to support himself and probably for good reason...he couldn't.

    Thanks for the USA link. It was informative but doesn't support the op. But then it probably wasn't your intent.
     
  18. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    #18
    You've compelled me to revisit the OP to see what the issue is here.

    And I think I found it ...
    On this point, I must agree with you Gutwrench. I've seen nothing to indicate that the trump administration believes MS13 to be glowing. Sparkling? Perhaps. But glowing? I see absolutely no evidence for that. Good call on your part.
     
  19. Zenithal macrumors 603

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2009
    #19
    Yes, because legal citizens would never join a gang! :eek:
     
  20. MacNut macrumors Core

    MacNut

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Location:
    CT
    #20
    Carter yes, Reagan and Sr no. :p

    You know if people didn't want drugs the drug runners would not have a supply chain. So why not just give them what they want. Legal drugs.
     
  21. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

    JayMysterio

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2010
    Location:
    Rock Ridge, California
    #21
    Sorry, can't work that way. You blame all or none. They were presidents during the rise & formation of MS13 in it's early stages when law enforcement didn't take them to ( compared to the more infamous Bloods, Crips, a few biker gangs, and La eMe ) seriously at the time. Think of it as 'warehouse' blame. You either blame in bulk, or you shop elsewhere, no selective blame here. ;)
     
  22. MacNut macrumors Core

    MacNut

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Location:
    CT
    #22
    Don't yell at me, I was just speaking for our Zombie friend.
     
  23. JayMysterio, Apr 22, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2017

    JayMysterio macrumors 6502

    JayMysterio

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2010
    Location:
    Rock Ridge, California
    #23
    But he isn't here! :D No one else is making unsubstantiated claims in his place!
     
  24. MacNut macrumors Core

    MacNut

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Location:
    CT
    #24
    Im sure someone will show up.:p
     
  25. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

    JayMysterio

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2010
    Location:
    Rock Ridge, California
    #25
    :(
     

Share This Page