Who has greater staying power, The Donald or Fat Boy Kim?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Micky Do, May 17, 2018.

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Who will last longer as leader of their country?

Poll closed Jun 7, 2018.
  1. The Donald

    5 vote(s)
    15.2%
  2. Fat Boy Kim

    28 vote(s)
    84.8%
  1. Micky Do, May 17, 2018
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    The Donald, if re-elected, could remain President of the US until 2024 but methinks he will not see out his first term..... probably leaving of his own volition to go down in history as the most under achieving, the least honest, the worst president ever.

    He has suggested that if Fat Boy Kim doesn't leave the nuclear club North Korea has recently joined, he risks being overthrown from his position as the third generation tyrannical ruler for life. Methinks he will not last, but he will outstay The Donald to remain an irritation to the the USA for some time yet.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...uclearise-risk-overthrow-180517203347827.html
     
  2. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    Kim. As much as I hate to say that.

    Why would that pumpkin piece believe in this administration after hearing people like Bolton or Trump rant about fire and fury and whatnot? That said, the entire truce was a charade orchestrated by the North Koreans from the very start.

    No one wins in a war against an actual nuclear state. Emphasis on the word "actual" as Iraq wasn't one. The actual military had no will to fight and only surrendered after being bribed by US forces (you can check all the articles from late 2003) and this fueled insurgency by jihadists.
     
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    Obviously Kim, Trump can’t serve more than two 4 year terms while the Kim clan has ruled NK for over 60 years.
     
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    Kim will, China still won’t let us take out NK without them attacking us first, and he is much younger than Trump so it’s not likely he will die in office even if Trump wins re-election. Given the age difference Kim would probably outlast him even if Trump managed to change the constitution to allow him to be president for life.
     
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    If Kimbo doesn’t strike a deal in the upcoming summit... he doesn’t survive to 2024.

    The optimism for Kimbo to outsmart President Trump is as pathetic as rooting for Hillary to be President.
     
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    So you're advocating war if Kim doesn't bow to Trump. Got it.

    Again, you do not gain peace under the threat of war. That is one of the traits of a warmonger.

    BL.
     
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    Death of a few thousand US soldiers and leveling a few American cities is fine by some people if it means killing Kim and his military leaders.
     
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    No, unlike you two who come across as cheerleaders for NK because it fits your Hate Trump agenda... I say Kimbo caves and gives up his nukes.

    If he doesn’t... he dies at the hands of people within NK.

    Push has come to shove... and Trump has greater staying power.
     
  9. Bug-Creator, May 18, 2018
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    Like his daddy and granddaddy did?

    Hint: There is almost no chance that regime change (start canting here) is gonna happen from inside, and any outside (US) meddling will create massive backlash inside NK, from China and from many countries who just don't want the balance in the region to chance or fear for being next to be regime changed (another round of chants please).
     
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    things are different this time around... daddy and granddaddy never went on NK media and said they were going to dismantle Nuclear sites and end the Korean war.

    The NK people have never seen so much promise until Trump came along.

    despite all the optimism here on MR that Kim holds firm... I say he caves under pressure from President Trump and we see NK denuclearize.

    it's still happening folks
     
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    You live in Lalaland.
     
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    I find it funny how people from both sides make fools of themselves.

    1. Trump has proven to have tremendous influence over NK, or this summit wouldn't have happened. Who knows what else he'll be able to achieve with that power.

    2. NK will likely never give up its nukes, just as no other country would. It serves as a sign of strength, and of modern military might. Just as the US would never give up its nukes, I sincerely doubt NK ever would either.

    Now, back to your amusing bloviations! :D
     
  13. Zenithal, May 18, 2018
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    Keep dreaming, bud. This is North Korea 101.


    I want Kim dead. His people free. That doesn't come without a full out war.
     
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    If you think that people who believe that Kim will emerge as a "winner" of some kind of this actually want Kim to be "winning" then you have an severe case of partisan's disease and should ask your doctor about it:eek:

    The only realistic way to get rid of KimIII (or prevent KimIV) is to play a long game involving China, something that Mr Trump is as unsuitable for as it gets.
     
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    The offer isn’t anything new, Trump is just the first to be dumb enough to take them up on it rather than playing the waiting game of containing North Korea until their people get tired and get rid of the Kims.
     
  16. Markoth, May 18, 2018
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    His people can't get rid of him. He has the military's support, and as long as that's the case, they will never be able to overthrow him. That's just how countries work, every single one. This isn't some cheap Hollywood movie where the people will "rise up" and overthrow the government. North Koreans have no power, and they can't force it away from those who do.
    Absolutely correct. Kim is in power and he has his military's support. If anyone wants to do anything about it, you have to force his military's support out of his hands, and that means a war. There is literally no alternative. We all wish there was, and if this was a Hollywood movie I'm sure there would be, but reality differs from the world which we see portrayed in the cinema.
     
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    You could have said the same thing about the Soviet Union, or East Germany, or any of the other Easter European Communist countries. Eventually even the military will get fed up with him if there is sufficient economic pressure and time.
     
  18. bradl, May 18, 2018
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    Time to call you out.

    Source where they said they are ending the war. Source for when a treaty is going to be signed.

    Regardless, thanks to the Iran Sanctions fiasco, Kim holds all the cards. He doesn't have to give up anything if he already knows that Trump/the USA will take back everything we has said and done. He already knows we can't be trusted, so why would he get rid of all of his nuclear weapons when Trump can't be trusted to keep his word?

    Here we are back at that same word again: Trust. Trump doesn't know what it is, let alone has the ability to keep his word, and Kim is playing on that so easily that Trump, let alone his supporters don't even know how much they are being played.

    By the way, did you even notice when Kim shut up Trump and the summit when he said that they were potentially calling it off, let alone called off ALL TALKS with ROK because of Trump and the military exercises going on? Every media outlet reported that, including those on your side of the spectrum.

    EDIT: By the way, Your man just threatened war with DPRK yet again. You don't negotiate peace by threatening war.

    BL.
     
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    Did you bother to read the article or just see the click baiting headline and post a link? If you did actually read it then you'd know he said nothing of the sort. Either that or the link you posted took me to a twilight zone part of the web where the click bait headline stayed the same but I read a different article.
     
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    Then they signed the Panmunjom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification on the Korean Peninsula, which commits the two countries to denuclearization and talks to bring a formal end to conflict.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/asia/korean-summit-intl/index.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/12/asia/north-korea-missile-test-pledge-intl/index.html

    did you not see them planting the tree together?

    Peace through strength... it's happening.
     
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    Planting a tree != signing a treaty to end the war. Or if you haven't noticed, but DPRK called off talks with ROK because of exercises ROK and the US were performing in the Korean Peninsula. Additionally, those exercises are potentially derailing the summit Kim was to have with Trump.

    Hell, they even told ROK to go pound sand for going to their test site to witness it being shut down.

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/me...South-Korea-media-for-nuclear-site-event.html

    All Trump could even say about it in his usual ramblings of nothing, is that DPRK/Kim must be getting influenced by Beijing for his current actions.

    When you're ready to jump back into the WABACK and join us in the present, we'll be here to talk to you about what is currently going on.

    BL.
     
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    Well, one is elected with set term limits. The other is a ruthless oppressive dictator. I'm sure some some of you will be confused on which is which.
     
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    ...and then you've got a police state. You've substituted one form of oppression for another. How's that a solution?
     
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    Germany is a police state? Some of the Post Soviet countries went that way but it wasn’t all of them by any means.
     
  25. Markoth, May 18, 2018
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    Your view of history is somewhat incorrect. Germany wasn't unified due to a military overthrow of the government, it was the government itself that ended up pushing for the reunification, after various external and internal pressures forced the issue. Military overthrows almost never end well. It's foolish to expect them to.
     

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