Who is better at obstructing?

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Republicans or democrats

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  1. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    After a 8 year obstruction campaign by the Republicans it's the Democrats turn as the obstructionists. I'd say they are doing an unprecedented job, but the Republicans held their own as well.

    Do you think it's hypocritical that each side cries about obstruction and justifies it when it's their turn to bat?
     
  2. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Yes and no. Is is hypocritical for either side to mention it since really they both do it. However I think what each side is pointing at is the escalation of it. One side does a "unprecedented" action, then the other side does a "nuclear" option. Where this all ends is anyone's guess, but at some point I would think they would run out of things to "one up" each other on.
     
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    Republicans are better at obstructing.

    They shutdown the Obummer administration from 2010-2016 leaving the lame duck to fester in his own executive order and executive memo juices.

    The Dems cant even stop a trainwreck of a department of education nominee from getting approved.
     
  4. Fancuku macrumors 6502a

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    There is a difference, people voted for the Republicans to obstruct the last administration. Lefties don't accept it but why else would they lose so many seats in senate and congress (and completely slaughtered in state legislatures) in such short amount of time?
     
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    lol, so true

    Don't care for Michael Moore too much but on some things he is right. He said that Reps will drive their big bad truck through everything and not get stopped.
    lol
     
  7. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    This is a very good question!

    From my point of view, I'd have to say that Democrats excel in having highly-motivated individuals performing media-grabbing acts of obstruction; lots of splash, but relatively ineffective in causing long-term obstruction.

    The Republicans, on the other hand, are far better at organized disruption. I've never seen a left-wing movement anywhere near as competent and organized for long-term effectiveness as the Tea Party has been on the Right. They've managed to infiltrate and co-opt the Republican party, and utilize the levers of power they gained to thoroughly gum up the House.

    It'll be interesting to see if the Democrats manage to come up with a Tea Party analogue. That is, if the government doesn't completely fall apart, with two major parties who both have no interest in actual governing...
     
  8. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    What do base you "unprecedented" on?

    What are Democrats doing that hasn't been done before?
     
  9. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    Republican'ts are better at it because there's so much less of a whiney sound.




    Edit: Great idea for a thread btw. Rise above.
     
  10. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Trump had 4 nominees approved 2 weeks after taking office, never seen that before even with Obama.
     
  11. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    Well, of course, every previous President tried to choose qualified candidates and courted the Senate to get them approved. Trump, on the other hand, selects mainly toadies whose main qualification is how vociferously they suck up to him, and treats the entire Senate (right and left) as either lackeys or enemies.

    Tough to get quick approval from people you've just punched in the face. (And why does he keep punching McCain in particular anyway?)

    Trump will never excel at any task that requires cooperation with other branches of government. He's going to have to be happy writing EOs and working whatever levers of power over which the President alone has full control, because I don't see him succeeding at anything else anytime soon...
     
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    Trump has a Supreme Court nominee that will get a hearing and that Republicans have already talked to vs. the last Obama one that went the better part of a year without even getting that.
     
  13. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    yes and look at the results oboma care screwed up and now getting criminals and worthless appointees approved. such a proud moment.
     
  14. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    So which ones did the Democrats actually obstruct?

    AFAIK, the Republicans won every nominee that came to a vote.

    How exactly did the Democrats obstruct here?
     
  15. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    because politics.....there was ZERO reason compelling them to waste their time on Obama's nominee. He was a fool for being in office 8 years and not encouraging the old taters up there to retire so he could have replaced them while he still had serious time in office.

    for them to have given Obama's nominee any air time makes no sense. Just wait it out... They knew the election would ride on the open seat and that Trump would garner votes from the voter base that was more focused on the SCOTUS that is a lifetime appointment vs 4-8 years of Trump. It was one of the most well-played moves of the election outside Trump's win.

    anyone confused or not seeing that is playing stupid or blind.
     
  16. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    You don't have to win to obstruct, Trump would normally have had most of his cabinet in place by the second week.
     
  17. glindon macrumors regular

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    The republicans, obviously, because they now have house, senate, and White House. The republicans were voted for in the 2010 midterms primarily to obstruct the democrats. They played the long game and the 2018 midterms aren't looking good at all for Dems either.
     
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    He did still have serious time in office. Do you think a presidential term is only three years? :rolleyes:

    Interestingly, you basically admitted that there was in fact no good reason to stall. Just politics. And that simply isn't a good enough reason.
     
  19. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    You have to do something to obstruct. Democrats don't run the senate. They don't preside over the committees or scheduling. All they can do is vote against a nominee ... and not in enough numbers to prevent anyone from being nominated without the help of Republicans crossing over to their side.

    What exactly are they doing to obstruct?
     
  20. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Not showing up to prevent quorum on some committees is one tactic they've used (some committees require minority attendance) as well as calling in timing rules to ensure they can delay long enough that there isn't a vote. You simply can't be serious if you think the Republicans chose to only have 4 cabinet members approved after 2 weeks.
     
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    The Dumocraps really have no other action to take other than slowing the process. So thats what they're doing.
     
  22. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    I think they are both equally good at it. But the Dems have the edge in not caving. I wish the GOP could stand as resolute as the Dems do sometimes, but when the media is always blasting you it is harder.
     
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    Wow great post the buticans can now do what they want but they won't be able to blame anyone when it fails.
     
  24. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    He was in his last year and a new Prez. was going to be elected. From a planning standpoint it made little sense to move forward and give up the leverage for the next election or to give him his pick. Not when there was a chance to get a republican pick in there.

    It was a well executive move in a political environment that is about politics more than anything. Both sides play the game. Stop the whining as your peeps do it too. They pulled the nuclear option change to stack the deck in the lower courts.
     
  25. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    The right is vastly superior at it. They successfully blocked Obama without breaking a window or starting a fire that would undermine their cause. All the left has done is piss everyone off and look like a bunch of crybabies that can't take it when they don't get their way.
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    Because they are clueless.
     

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