Whole Foods' Mackey Offers Health Care Alternative, Snags a Boycott Initiative

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  1. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2009/08/15/progressives-call-for-a-boycott-on-whole-foods/

    And the retort.

    The sample link from NJP has the facebook link to the boycotters; the #boycottwholefoods tag in Twitter (link) can also be used to follow the initiative.

    I'm somewhat skeptical that a Whole Foods boycott will work, although people who shop there do love their causes. I think Mackey makes some really good points until he gets to the question of who and what should be covered, where I just can't agree. It's easy for us all to say, when we're healthy and have a job with insurance, that nothing needs to be done about those with chronic or serious illnesses or who are unemployed. It's an entirely different story when you've got a chronic illness and suddenly whether you can be covered becomes a very complicated nightmare.

    On the other hand, having left Chicago where there were Whole Foods (I used them maybe 1x/2wks, but didn't buy weekly groceries there because they were inconvenient) and now being in Grand Rapids, MI, where there isn't one, has forced me to be more inventive again -- and I've found a wealth of options via the farmer's market (I'll have to see how the winter goes on that front), I've really been enjoying a lot of locally brewed beer and locally vinted wine, as well as restaurants that are serious about local produce and environmental consciousness... although GR is smaller than I care for and Chicago is still my favorite city, I'm finding for the first time that I'm not missing Whole Foods in the way that I did when I left the Detroit suburbs (where one was <2 miles from home) for grad school in Florida (where there wasn't one).

    So I'm actually kind of liking not using Whole Foods now and might just continue for political reasons.

    EDIT: Mackey also provided a follow-up to his piece as published by the WSJ... apparently the major issue was that he did not pitch himself as having an alternative to or being in opposition to the administration.

    http://www2.wholefoodsmarket.com/blogs/jmackey/2009/08/14/health-care-reform-full-article/

    ... which I honestly could care less about. Also some words to try and distance Whole Foods from his views.
     
  2. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Mackey is an idiot. I think the boycott will work just fine, given the clientele it supposedly caters to. I know I'm not going anymore. I haven;t since I found out about this. I can just as easily go to Trader Joe's. People like Mackey think they can do no wrong. He's about to find out just how stupid he is.
     
  3. mkrishnan thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    I think the one redeeming thing about Whole Foods is that there are places in suburbia where there are not other good options for things like organic foods TJ's has an even more limited geographical profile than WF. But OTOH in an urban area without good access to either, I am surprised how little I miss it.

    I wonder if this will really make the brand new Whole Foods-opolis in Lincoln Park suffer? :D Usually the denizens of Lincoln Park are beyond redemption but their mindless fad-hunting may just be put to good use here. ;)

    I particularly would like to see this on a billboard in Lakeview and see how much foot traffic Whole Foods gets...

     
  4. leekohler macrumors G5

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    We'll see. I went to the one on Ashland, but Trader Joe's isn't much further. It won't be difficult to switch. That's the nice thing about living here- don't screw up as a business, there are a million alternatives.
     
  5. mkrishnan thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Yeah, I usually went to the one on Ashland when I was in Lakeview or to the one on Halsted when I was in Lakeview East....

    It's kind of sad because I think the high deductible and company paid FSA-like account approach that Whole Foods uses is actually not a bad idea in principle. But I have to draw a hard line at the idea of not really caring whether we achieve universal coverage.
     
  6. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Hey Lee, brilliant post! I know so much more now after reading that. One word... INSIGHTFUL.

    Perhaps if you get the time though, you could maybe elaborate on Mr. Mackey's article and give your opinion on specific points. Either that or just continue the baseless attacks. Either way. No biggie.

    As for me? I found Mr. Mackey's comments a breath of fresh air. It's great to see someone stand up and suggest that maybe overwhelming and unconstitutional government programs aren't the answer. It was great to see someone willing to stand up and state the obvious that this program is going to cost TRILLIONS of dollars that we DON'T HAVE and could potentially bankrupt the country. It was great to see someone stand up and say that the individual entitlement programs we have in place already (social security, medicare, etc.) are going bankrupt as it is... and question the morality and logic in simply expanding these defunct programs to ALL Americans.

    But, you know Lee... I'm sure the CEO of this major corporation is "an Idiot," like you said. And I sincerely appreciate you pointing that out without feeling the need to explain why, at all. ;)
     
  7. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    I don't have an answer for everything of fivepoint's, but I do have a few:

    First, allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines? Yeah, letting them get much, much bigger is going to drive down costs. :rolleyes:

    Second, making health care treatment costs transparent? What? Do you not get a bill for everything that tells you the total treatment cost and what part your insurance company is responsible for and what part you are responsible for?

    Third, I'm tired of people claiming Social Security is going to go bankrupt. It was only four short years ago that they were running around like Chicken Little telling us we had to privatize it in order to save it. With investments in the dumpster, how does that plan sound to you now?? The Chicken Littles like to pretend this is an enormous problem, when really it's probably the easiest-to-solve our government has to face. SS has a $90,000 cap on contributions. Why are we giving a special privilege to those earning over $90,000? Remove the cap, problem solved.

    Mackey also talks about tort reform. It's such an insignificant part of health care costs. Is the negligible financial return really worth protecting malpractice?

    And letting people make voluntary contributions? That's a joke.

    Breath of fresh air. Sounded more like a fart to me.
     
  8. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I did explain why he's an idiot. CEOs of companies do much better when they don't piss off their customers with crap like this. This was very bad business move on his part. And ya know- one of these days you'll post without insults and personal attacks, but I won't hold my breath waiting. You seem to have a major problem with me for whatever reason. You should PM me about it. As for what's wrong, read the above post. It should have been obvious.
     
  9. Brien macrumors 68020

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    Read the links...

    TJ's IS better, but I'm still going to shop at Whole Foods. (Where else am I gonna find truffles in season and not have to pay shipping?)
     
  10. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I don't know where you live, but several local shops have them here.
     
  11. Brien macrumors 68020

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    Well not to derail the topic but suffice to say that without driving about an hour in either direction there aren't any alternatives. Thanks though. :)
     
  12. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Oh, I hear ya- and truffles are indeed wonderful. :)
     
  13. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Haha, you are hilarious, Lee. Please go ahead and quote where you explained why he is an idiot. You can't do it, because it isn't there. And then try actually replying to my post and actually posting your thoughts on the actual ideas in his article. Why not work in the arena of ideas and reply with substance instead of simply calling the guy an idiot and not even explaining why.

    You are continually making 1-2 sentence posts which demean people or pass judgement without ever supplying ideas of your own. If I have any problem with you, it would be that.

    No one has any problem with you disagreeing with people, but when you simply call them out and then refuse to explain yourself, it feels a bit empty and childish. But hey, that's just my opinion. See, right here... I didn't call YOU empty and childish, just your words with an explanation of why I think that. :)
     
  14. leekohler macrumors G5

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    It's right here. If you don't understand what is being said, read it over and over until you do. Keep in mind that I was a frequent Whole Foods customer. Mackey is an idiot because he says things like this without any thought of how it could affect his business. I'm not going to explain this again. Once again, you demonstrate that you cannot post with respect for members here.
     
  15. Eanair macrumors 6502

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    Are you trying to intimate that Whole Foods shoppers are all liberal-leaning tree-hugging "make love not war"-saying rainbow-flying Birkenstock-wearing environment-loving Prius-driving socialists?

    ;)
     
  16. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Haha! Well, we do tend to be "cause-oriented" people. ;)
     
  17. opinioncircle macrumors 6502a

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    No they can be broke student who are new to the city they're living in and actually would like something else than a bag of m'n'm to eat....Yes that's me :D
    But the Whole Foods I go to is pretty nice. Actually feels nice, customers feel a little bit douchey (at least based on my first visit today) but it looks nice, smells nice, and even though the prices may seem higher, it seems pretty darn healthy. And you can't put a price on health, right ?!!
     
  18. Eanair macrumors 6502

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    Whole Foods during college? Lucky. :)

    I survived on Ramen and hot sauce.
     
  19. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Whatever, Lee. If you can't see how wrong you are... it's not my fault. All you said, all you BOLDED and REPOSTED is you saying that a boycott would work fine based on the type of customers Whole Foods has.

    Why don't you tell everyone what you think about his actual words? His ideas? Not him posting them for all to see, not the act of him doing so... but the actual words in his article.

    Give it a try.
     
  20. bergmef macrumors 6502a

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    And with a public option with new enrollment lockdown for private insurers, where will you go if you want to protest government health care.

    Alternatives are nice ... in everything
     
  21. leekohler macrumors G5

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    It wasn't his actual words I was criticizing, but the stupidity of making this move as the CEO of a company that caters to largely liberal clientele. If you can't see that, it's not my fault. Besides- Thomas Veil already said everything I would have said, which I already mentioned, but I don't see you answering his points. You're having more fun misunderstanding my posts.

    To the ballot box.
     
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    To the ballot box.[/QUOTE]

    If the companies are gone? How will the ballot box change health care. The year it becomes law, new enrollment is frozen. You get to keep what you have but if you want a different private insurer, they cannot take you. If you change jobs, you get new insurance, ok, not in this case, because new enrollment is frozen. From that point on, it's the public option only from the way the bill is currently written. To me, that just sucks

    Edit to add: This thread mentions voting/protesting with your dollars. About shopping elsewhere. What if Whole Foods was the only store around? Where would you shop then?
     
  23. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Like I said, if we don't like what the government is doing, we change it. We do that by voting. And I've seen nothing to indicate anywhere in this bill that says people cannot choose private insurance. Do you have the exact line in the bill?
     
  24. davidwarren macrumors 6502a

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    I think I am going to shop at whole foods more often now.
     
  25. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    You say that but you seem to forget our congressional districts are rig so the Incumbent can and will win. We have congressmen who have been in office longer than I have been alive. They keep getting re-elective because it is very hard to vote them out.
    They districe are rigged not on city boarders, or other more nature bounders but instead to keep some one in office. The congressman who represents me where I live really does not do it. Where I live is kind of thrown in there as a way to drown out my vote and it like a thin sliver than comes down and takes up play of living. Most of the district is a good 30-40 miles away. It is crap and the guy keep getting reelected and does not give a damn about my area because general it votes for the other guy but the district is set up kill off the votes and drown them out and limit the amount of power.

    Sorry but the system is rigged against use voting them out.
     

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