Who's more Partisan(politically), and why?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by LIVEFRMNYC, Oct 5, 2018.

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Who's more Partisan?

  1. Republicans/Conservatives

  2. Democrats/Liberals

  3. Any Party or group that's already in power

  4. Any Party or group that's not in majority power

  5. It's all about money, everything else is just noise

  6. Religion controls ALL!!!!

  7. The majority of voters are too stupid to answer

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  1. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    With so much division in this country, which has always existed in my lifetime. Which group of people (as a whole) do you feel are the most partisan politically and why?

    I'm asking cause it seems like we are in a time that every decision seems more and more detrimental to the opposing side. The middle ground is disappearing, if it hasn't already.

    BTW .. I hold no allegiance to any party or religion.
     
  2. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    When someone who is an idiot brags that he could kill people and win votes, pretends not to know what/who the KKK/David Duke is when he claimed he didn't want to run because of David Duke, golfs more than the person he claimed golfed too much, verbally "pleasures" Putin at every chance he gets when he blamed the last president for Olympic losses to Russia, says only guilty people settle lawsuits when he's settled or pre-payed many, won't release their tax returns, backs people like Roy Moore...

    I'm going Conservative party.

    I'm sorry liberals like minorities and want to help poor people. I think a mistake in that direction is more noble than helping Trump and his kids steal more from working class folks and get away with it.

    *BTW, I was a staunch conservative until I was in my 20's. They lost me at some point, I can't pinpoint where. I just kept saying "uh.. that's not right" until I realized their church-going teachings didn't match up with their politics. War? Death penalty? Forcing rape victims to carry an embryo to term? "Thou shalt not kill" is pretty obvious... it doesn't say "Kill killers". It's not exactly quantum-physics here.. these are simply rules to live by.
     
  3. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    While I don't really disagree with your post at all, you didn't really answer the OP question. Whether someone's opinions are justified are not the same as how much they give those priority.
     
  4. LIVEFRMNYC thread starter macrumors 604

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    I think what makes the Conservatives seem more partisan, is the fact they are so blatant/flagrant to the point of being comical or just plain evil. One could easily argue, when Dems were in control, they were more partisan. But Dems were never as blatant/flagrant whether in control or not.



    IMO, Liberals as a whole are control freaks. They claim they want to help, but they want to help their way, without ever giving a damn about the REAL needs of people. This leads to a lot of patting themselves on the back, and the ones that they so-called helped stuck in the same position as before.





    This is why I added Religion to the poll and used one of my votes on it. I wonder what politics would be like without religion, or if you can actually separate the two.
     
  5. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    No, I didn't. You're right.

    I feel conservatives are more partisan because a man like Trump is in the White House. A lifelong NYC con-man "liberal" who did an about-face when a black man was president. He also kick-started his campaign on a baseless lie ("Hussein" Obama was a Muslim Kenyan). A total joke of a man and he beat many qualified candidates.

    Look at what Trump's pick for Supreme Court justice said. Mind you, this is not a civilian trying to be a judge, this is a judge trying to be the NATION'S judge. "Democrats, Trump, Hillary". Are you kidding? Yet, he's qualified, he gets in.

    Listen to Trump's speeches. Total, made-up, fabricated lies. More fiction than I can think up if I even dared tried. His base cheers and hollers when he says ANYTHING. This guy is borderline certifiable to everyone but his minority of voters in this country.

    I'm not saying being liberal or conservative is right or wrong either way, but conservatives are a minority in this country winning nation-wide votes via electoral college. Liberals have turned out in higher number in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. That matters, no matter what conservatives say. "Every vote counts!' is B.S. if your vote.. uh,... doesn't count?
     
  6. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Here is the thing: I was very aware of stuff in the mid '70s, though not yet old enough to participate. We were burned out on the Tricky Dick fiasco and the absurdity of a replacement whose economic strategy was to don WIN (“Whip Inflation Now”) buttons. So we turn to the other guys and they offer us this guy who was very personable and had a great smile, but he was a little more conservative than many of us were comfortable with.

    Yes, that is correct: Jimmy Carter was a conservative. Even when you look at Ronnie, in today's context he looks left of two thirds of the Democratic Party.

    What I am saying is there is no middle ground because the right wing has dragged the “center” so far to the right that “conservative” is meaningless. If you put forth ideas that would have been in centrist half a century ago, suddenly you are a ____ ___ _______ ____ Socialist!

    The RWers are shouting ridiculous insanity so loud it is making our ears hurt, so we try to quiet them down with a cookie but it only makes them go on to shout louder for more cookies. This is why it is not working.
     
  7. LIVEFRMNYC thread starter macrumors 604

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    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Basically, why keep giving them cookies? It's probably cause the right wing are pretty much masters at propaganda. Stop giving them cookies and they will make the opposing side look like they are the enemies of the nation.
     
  8. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    When it comes to partisanship between parties, I generally find democrats to be slightly more partisan. I guess it doesn’t really matter though considering if one side is partisan then the collaboration between both sides is thrown off.

    That said, generally I find democrats to be more cooperative amongst themselves in terms of ideology. There seems to be a lot more variability and disagreeent amongst those on the right.
     
  9. Falhófnir macrumors 68040

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    I've noticed many Liberals seem to be very closed minded, convinced they're right and unwilling to consider other points of view - preferring an echo chamber of assenting voices to actually engaging with other's differing opinions - to the point of actually getting upset and losing the ability to calmly and rationally debate, it's most curious...
     
  10. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    That same post applies equally as well to the so-called "Conservatives" and Republicans. Both of them have large numbers of people who are stuck in their partisan ruts and refuse to budge. Neither of them is innocent when it comes to partisanship.
     
  11. Falhófnir macrumors 68040

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    Perhaps that's so, although I don't perceive it to be the case in quite the same way - conservatives can be stuck in their ways and unwilling to change their mind, but generally don't go to lengths like no platforming, shutting down debate or shouting down people of other opinions (i.e. are more polite generally?) Liberals just come off as more rabid and desperate to rubbish/ discredit or even ostracise those of differing opinion...
     
  12. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    I disagree. You have conservatives withhold a SC nominee with 9 months left in a term. That's nothing short of a disgrace.

    I know many smart people that are republicans and deny that climate change is real. Having gone to grad school in the field and an engineer by trade, it makes me lose respect for them fast as they just gobble up the propaganda from the right.

    The liberals at least pursue goals to help others whereas the republicans are all about being selfish at the individual level
     
  13. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Democrats/Liberals are definitely more partisan.

    I haven't seen Republicans/Conservatives harassing Democrats/Liberals while they are out to dinner. Maxine Waters called for harassment at homes/grocery stores/gas stations/etc. Haven't seen a Republican do that. Liberal restaurant owners have denied service to Sarah Sanders, police officers, etc. People wearing MAGA hats and minding their own business have been assaulted and harassed.

    So, yeah, Democrats/Liberals are definitely more partisan.
     
  14. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    Then you obviously do not get around much. While "liberals" do it, the so-called "conservatives are just as bad, if not worse in most cases. I'd suggest you take a look at just about any Facebook news related feed or political forums.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 6, 2018 ---
    Here's a new case of a Republican who was arrested for threatening to murder fellow Republicans who didn't vote the way he'd like them to. That's about as partisan as it gets.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...d-to-shoot-weak-republicans-who-voted-against
     
  15. ucfgrad93, Oct 6, 2018
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    I'll see your threat, and raise you an actual shooting.

    Bold added for emphasis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

    And then lets just add this little gem...

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  16. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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  17. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    The question was who is more partisan. I think actually shooting your political opponents is more partisan than threatening them.
     
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    I view pure "partisanship" as supporting a party, party leadership and party platform, regardless of the merits. By that standard, the Republicans are far, far more partisan. Most mainstream Republicans spent the bulk of 2015 and 2016 denouncing Donald Trump. rightfully pointing out how unqualified and corrupt he was, and now they stand in line to kiss his ass. But. if you really want to see naked partisanship, just consider the Tea Party folks. They spent 8 years under Obama railing on and on about the deficit and as soon as they got a Republican in the White House, they passed the biggest deficit-busting tax cut in American history. The Democrats have never done anything as nakedly partisan.
     
  19. Huntn macrumors P6

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    There are a lot of stupid people in this country. Look at POTUS, IT’s completely, absolutely, no contest, self evident. :oops:
    The Dems as a rule are much more pragmatic and are willing to negotiate with those who prefer drawing lines in the sand.
     
  20. chagla macrumors 6502a

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    Republicans are! why? don't know. They will happily vote for child molester, journalist assaulting thug, *y grabbers as long as both are in same political group. they simply do not care!
     
  21. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Not to mention that left-wing activist Timothy McVeigh.
     
  22. LIVEFRMNYC thread starter macrumors 604

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    Please don't take it there. Cause there have been plenty of blood spilled at abortion clinics.(just one of many examples)

    There are crazies on all sides.
     
  23. BorderingOn macrumors 6502

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    Neither party. It’s the wing nuts. Thanks to 24 hour news and social media, which amplifies and curates the loudest and most extreme views, we believe there has been some drastic change. I still believe there is a pretty good swath of regular folk who feel disenfranchised by all of this. Maybe they will be swallowed up by it at some point, or as more indoctrinated young folk come of age in this’s environment, but I remain optimistic that Trump was a wake up call of sorts. The Democrats need a sane candidate next election to get things moving in the right direction, or moving at all really.
     
  24. duffman9000 macrumors 68000

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    Maybe you had your eyes closed when Trump said "Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees.".
     
  25. tshrimp, Oct 8, 2018
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    You say that the right wing dragged the center, but the people you see on this board who are "right wingers" to many here show to be a part of that center. I am not sure you were a part of an earlier thread that showed most that show conservative were actually middle and the ones on the left were left. Very few true right wingers. If I can find it, I will edit my link.

    As far as who is more partisan...just look at how the left is acting with Kavanagh, and that shows us enough. I love it as this will help the right in the midterms. Keep it up.
     

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