Why All The Hillary Hate?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Huntn, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. Huntn macrumors G5

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    I'll propose that she has been a threat for the longest period of time to be the next Democratic President and if she was not running, this vile anti-Hillary retoric would still be there, but instead directed at Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or even a Wendy Davis. This kind of toxic rhetoric is a fact in today's political landscape and it primarily comes from the right. Shoot, they can't even stop themselves from throwing viles of acid on each other. That's revealing.

    I'll remind you of a time in politics before Reagan, where politicians from opposite parties could disagree but go have lunch together. Their campaigns would be about issues, not about character assination. We have a fair amount of Hillary character assination in this forum, but it's only daily. :rolleyes: If you look at Hillary Clinton's life, it has been one concerned with making a difference helping people, in many cases under privaleged people. By any yard stick, child, minority, women's rights advocate, Lawyer, First Lady, US Senator, Secretary of State, a lifetime of impressive achievements, which sadly makes the right hate her even more because she's guilty, guilty of being a Democrat. Sad really.

    I'll step aside now and let the local Hillary lynching team get to work contradicting what I've said. :p
     
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    She is most likely to win, has a lot of experience, and would do better in foreign issues than Sanders would.

    If she can manage to work with the GOP, or if they continue to act like obstructive toddlers and trying to get her to compromise far more than what they would give up at which point then she ought to use executive orders, to get her ideas put into reality - it's a good list of reforms for the people of the United States of America:

    https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

    And before anyone says it, doesn't Obama still have a ways to go before putting out more executive orders than George W Bush had?
     
  3. FieldingMellish Suspended

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    How about playing it this way. Point out what you believe to be a toxic statement about Hillary and tell us in what way it’s toxic and whether it’s true or not true.
     
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    Then the same should be played for every candidate, especially the ones we like. Otherwise it would conform the OP's concern that it's just Hillary bashing.
     
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    that would take pages. And whats the point the new point out the toxic of trump all people do is post out the toxic of Hillary. it is all duck and point the finger at someone else.
     
  6. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    I share your concerns.

    To understand why Hillary Clinton seems to be the subject of so much online vitriol; it is necessary to take three things into account:

    Firstly, Hillary Clinton has been at the center of public attention for longer than any other politician in recent memory. Since 1992, in fact, when Bill Clinton emerged as the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in that year. (Of course, initially, she appeared somewhat sympathetically, as the long-suffering wife of husband with a roving eye.) We've all seen Hillary Clinton's face, know her "back story", her highs and her lows - and have done for almost a quarter century.

    Secondly, occupying as she does an essentially centrist position among Democrats, she receives criticism from both the right and the left. She's taking heat not from just conservative writers and politicians - she's taking it from people who wish the Democratic nominee to be Bernie Sanders. In that respect, she suffers the same fate as Obamacare.

    Lastly, the dynamics of both the Democratic and Republican nomination processes are such that Hillary Clinton's accession to the Presidency is becoming much more likely, if not to say inevitable. The chances of her losing to Sanders in the Democratic race are becoming increasingly slim. And her chances against any one of the likely Republican nominees are growing stronger - given the very high negatives associated with them, as well as the overall weak position they occupy.
     
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    Lol, your side does the work every day, producing toxicity. You do understand the difference between disagreeing with ideas and policies versus you are the spawn of Satan (said for illustrative purposes) and years of fruitless White Water and Bengazi hearings trying to achieve political advantage? Bottom line, you guys are all ready expending massive amounts of character assination energy. That's my opinion and you are free to disagree.
     
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    'Ya got boxed in. Admit it. Knight complains about all the time it would take, meanwhile he's ever present on this board. I see forum members getting into excruciatingly detailed and extensive multiple quote sessions and who obviously have loads of time on their hands. All I said was take any statement .... okay, how about only ONE statement that you see as toxic about Hillary from this board and demonstrate how and why you see toxicity inherent in it and whether what's been expressed is true or not. I dare 'ya. I double dare 'ya. :)
     
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    Hardly, the facts speak for themselves, my first post was to express my opinion, not engage in endless debate that a thread like this typically produces, with guys that launch daily Hillary attack posts. I've noted you have rejected my position. I'm fairly sure you'd feel the same about the character of whoever Holds the Democratic front runner Position. To support my other premise, why don't you take a moment and deny the GOP Presidential candidates are very busy character assinating each other. :)
     
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    The problem, Fielding, is that there is a total lack of proportionality and balance to the conversation.

    To cite but two recent examples, threads were started accusing Hillary Clinton of racism on the grounds that a) she did not support the concept of payment of racial reparations to African-Americans and b) that at the beginning of her career she was supported by Arkansas Senator J. William Fulbright. A towering figure in American politics and one who - like many of his contemporaries - had been a member of the KKK in the 1950s.

    These threads are absent any context whatsoever. The payment of reparations is a highly controversial one, not embraced by any significant sector of American society, and virtually impossible to ever become an actual US policy. Using Fulbright's earlier KKK membership to paint Ms. Clinton as a racist is absurd guilt-by-association at the most extreme level. And both of these threads totally ignore the reality that African-American women, a group that votes in higher numbers than just about any other in American society, are almost overwhelmingly supportive of Clinton's candidacy.
     
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    She's an extremely dislikable person, as the polls show. She has abominable taste in men (her mentor was a racist KKK fan and her husband is a racist). She's a liar and a hypocrite. Plus she's been incompetent at pretty much everything she's tried. Other than that, she's a swell chum.
     
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    I can honestly say that I do not actually dislike Sanders. I happen to think that his socialist ideas would not work, but I do admire how wholly he believes in his ideas. I cannot say that about Hillary, she's just all around unlikeable. As a republican I'm not that thrilled with who's running on that side, but I think things will be close in the general no matter who gets the nom. And then we can all promptly complain about whoever wins for the foreseeable future.
     
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    What do you think about Trump, sincere businessman who wants to make America great again, or gold digger who wants to make himself great again (in his own mind)? :) Most confusing is how the GOP base is flocking to Trump. Do they have standards, have those standards recently changed, or for this cycle is the only goal to get someone, anyone into the White House wearing a Republican label? Personally, I would not call him a conservative, but a political animal of opportunity.
     
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    Why not? I know I post responses when members say toxic unsupported nonsense about the GOP candidates. Why can't you guys do the same?
     
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    I have no idea what to think of Trump. I do think the GOP paved the way for him by throwing every person at the wall to see what would stick. I'm not sure he'd win if it was one on one with say Rubio or Kasich but with the field as large as its been his %30-%40 wins. He could be out for himself or actually out for America and standing for what he thinks is best for it (which I realize many disagree with) or for all I know he's working to get Hillary in the White House.
     
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    Politicians from across the aisle had convivial relationships all through the Reagan years. Reagan and Tip O'Neill used to drink together.

    The modern era of bitter rancor was established by the Democrats when they attacked both John Tower and Clarence Thomas during Bush 41's administration.
     
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    The large slate of candidates running for Republican nomination certainly presented an opportunity for someone like Trump. But the reality is that the Republicans racial dog-whistling since the Nixon era sowed the seeds for what may well be their ultimate destruction.

    As a rule I'm skeptical of stories which suggest how "scared" some group is supposed to be at the prospect of some event in the future. But a story in today's New York Times suggests that senior Republicans are indeed very concerned about what the prospect of a Trump nomination will do to their prospects in the House and Senate this fall.

    and

    Good luck with that. Republicans have been playing "divisive" politics for decades.

    Like it or not, since Nixon's "southern strategy" which peeled white Southerners away from the Democrats in the wake of the Civil Rights era, Republicans have been playing a dangerous game with race in this country. They doubled down on this gambit with their hastening the demise of organized labor. But now those chickens are coming home to roost. Lower middle-class white people, told for three decades that cutting their boss'; boss'; boss' taxes would inevitably lead to greater prosperity for them are waking up to the fact that they've been conned.

    The tragedy is, of course, that they've traded their misplaced faith in Reagan's trickle-down economics for the even more risible con-game of Trump University.
     
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    @Huntn Two youtube videos I would recommend:
    Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight
    Hillary Clinton: A Career Criminal
     
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    And speaking of unsupported nonsense:

    Yes, before Reagan, America "was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles."

    Pols from opposing parties don't have lunch together?

    You might think that about former presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, but you'd be wrong, CBS News correspondent Bill Plante reports.
    ...
    "We were laughing about going to restaurants and having to spend our time taking selfies with people," Clinton said.
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    It's a regular bromance, two former presidents laughing it up like old friends, and sharing old memories.
    ...
    Barbara Bush says her sons call Mr. Clinton "my brother by another mother."​

    Huh.

    But if you're in a U.S. Mission in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11 and there's an election in the wind, you're on your own, buddy.

    Unless it's a woman who claims to have been raped by hypocrite Hill's horn dog of a husband. Then she's on her own.

    And a distinguished senatorial career it was! Here are the three laws she got passed while in the senate:
    • Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act
    • A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building".
    • A bill to designate a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the "Timothy J. Russert Highway"
    By the way, she sponsored more than 700 bills. The aforementioned three that passed were all she managed to get approved.

    Yes, being as wrongheaded as you are about Hillary is truly tear-worthy. Not tears of laughter--I swear!

     
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    I have to disagree with you. I think you are trying to say that the Hillary hate is only with GOP voters I am a Dem supporter and dislike Hillary intensely. It is difficult to rationalise sometimes, but I think it started with Bill and the whole perjury thing with Monica. It developed when she was running against Obama, and has got worst recently. She is just that type that people tend to dislike. She has a sense of entitlement and somehow believes that the country owes it to her to crown her President.

    I would like to see Bernie go on to win but failing that anything but Hilary or Trump.
     
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    Because she's a poverty stricken white woman who takes $250k a speech from Wall Street while fighting Wall Street all just to pay the bills and put gas in her van that she drove around the country like normal folk.
     
  22. Huntn thread starter macrumors G5

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    My wife has proposed this idea to me. Personally I don't see it. In his business dealing the aftermath blowback would be crushing (I imagine).

    You are sadly out of touch young man. Character assignation started in the Reagan years at the hands of Congressional Republicans, led by Gingrich during the Contract for America years. Regarding Clarence Thomas, I don't remember his character being assassinated, mostly questions about his past and his positions, although it's possible I've forgotten. But I'm very clear about Slimey Newt in his personal advancement of toxicity in American Politics.
     
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    I will turn the question and ask, why all the love for Hilary? Why does she deserve to be president other than she is a woman and a Clinton? What makes her more qualified over any of the other candidates.
     
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    She married Bill Clinton and it's her turn, dammit!
     
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    In her eyes I think that is true. Why else did she stay married to him.
     

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