Why America is Moving Left!

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    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/01/why-america-is-moving-left/419112/

    This article really is a good article and worth a read.
     
  2. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    While I agree the populist left ideas are finally boiling over after a decades of buildup, trying to credit Obama for it (other than pushing back against his Corporatist policies) seems more like a reporter trying to frame a legacy for him than actual leadership.
     
  3. AdonisSMU thread starter macrumors 603

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    Obama was the inflection point it whether you agree with his policies or not. The article is actually really good and points out that Obama's successes and failures both point to the fact that as a country we need to be moving further to the left on many issues and will likely do so for the foreseeable future.
     
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    I think demographics is also playing a role. The relatively rich, conservative baby-boomers are slowly losing their grip on power as they begin to die off and the millennials, who tend to be more social- and fair-minded, will start to have an influence. As a Gen X'er who has listened to the boomer crap all my bloody life, I cannot wait for the millennials to start calling the shots.
     
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    I wouldn't say the country is moving left or right! The country is becoming cynical of the politicians and of to political parties!

    I am the GEN-X guy and I have Always have been cynical of almost all 'Authority'!
     
  6. AdonisSMU thread starter macrumors 603

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    I think a healthy skepticism is good. Hopefully this is what you mean. I'm Gen X and super liberal on most issues with the notable exception being immigration policy.
     
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    That does sort of define Gen-X
     
  8. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Without election reform the cynicism is never going to end. The problem is that the solution (IMO) would require drastic changes that I don't feel this country is willing to adopt.


    Boomers invented it. Gen-X just co-opted. :cool:
     
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    The Babyboom generation helped to give us two terms of Reagan, DOMA, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. They oversaw Clinton's dismantling of the welfare and social services in the 1990's. The Babyboom legacy is one of capitulating to power and gluttonous consumption of our natural resources.
     
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    I wonder why you are waiting for someone else.
     
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    RE: Why America is Moving Left!

    In a time when a center-Right politician like Barack Obama is labeled a Leftist and a Socialist, few statements could be considered more ridiculous.
     
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    Where do you people come up with this BS? The boomers are why we have the country running pell mell to the left. The 1960's was the beginning of the end for America. The WWII generation was truly the greatest generation and each one since then has been a spiraling cluster ****. Now we have safe spaces on college campuses because the wossies can't deal with life and free speech. When the idiots succeed in trashing the first ammendment you will see what facisism is truly like. Who gets to define what is safe to say and what isn't? It may be you today but by tomorrow it probably won't be.
     
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    So, Reagan managed to win two elections without the help of the most populous generation of people alive at the time? Without the help of people in their 30's and 40's?

    Babyboomers were somehow against Reagan. He won two terms despite this. That is what you want to defend?

    Teabagger groups are not comprised of mostly Babyboomers?
     
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    The liberalism that has swept the US for the last 50 years began in the 1960's with the boomers. Not every boomer voted for Reagan as back then we had a two party system. Bet Hanoi Jane didn't vote for Reagan.
     
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    You seem to be incapable of separating the Babyboom generation from the "Hippie" counter-culture. Most Babyboomers were not involved in that.

    It is pretty common knowledge that most involved in the 1960's counterculture metaphorically hung up their tie dyes by the 1980's and "grew up". Babyboomers had kids in the late 70's and 80's, they voted for Reagan, many for Bush after that, and then center-Right candidate Bill Clinton. Many are now Teabaggers.
     
  16. 556fmjoe macrumors 65816

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    The country isn't moving left or right. The majority of people don't even vote. The country is moving away from politics in general, which explains why political outsiders like Trump or politicians pretending to be them (Sanders) can gain support.

    But I can see how those who lock themselves away in echo chambers of their own ideas would conclude that the country is moving in the direction they support. With the way sites like Google and Facebook hide away results that do not fit with your political views based on what you have clicked on, a lot of people are totally unaware that there is another side, much less what it believes. It's easy to see what you want to see, and even easier to convince yourself that you are being objective.
     
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    And is Jane Fonda representative of the entire generation? Obviously not, since most Boomers these days tend to be VERY conservative, despite their very liberal beginnings back in the 60's.
     
  18. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    We invented* cynicism of political power in the 1960's and 70's, before throwing it all away in the 1980's to embrace the greed and power we railed against just a short time before.

    I understand why you'd be disgusted by it today. I was disgusted by it back then as well.




    *re-popularized would be a better word.
     
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    *Thumbs-Up*
     
  20. Oudinot macrumors regular

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    Sorry but I disagree. The anti-Vietnam, civil rights, rebellion was deeply implanted in boomers and as a group they brought up their kids differently, acted differently and pushed back against American values. You keep bringing up Reagan. He was elected for a lot of reasons. People were tired of Jimmy Carter and his shenanigans. Independents, Southern Democrats and Republicans, of all ages, voted for him. Remember WWII era folks were just coming into their 60's and liked what he was saying. The general consensus in the south was that Reagan taught the south how to split their ticket.

    Clinton was not center right. He was a liberal democrat until his second tern when he adjusted to the right to get reelected. The tea party, not teabaggers, was basically a protest against the more liberal leadership of the Republican Party which is still being fought today.
     
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    The 1960's are what is disgusting. America turned sharply left and has only veered back right once since then. We didn't stay the course and have continued to move left ever since.
     
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    Who do you think fought in Vietnam?

    No, we veered to the left back in the mid-30's, slowly veered back towards the center til the 80's, when Reagan took us farther over to the right.
     
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    Don't understand the relevance of your question about Nam
     
  24. zioxide macrumors 603

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    Uhh, politics in this country are definitely shifting to the right and have been for a long time.

    American politics are skewed so far to the right they wouldn't know real liberalism if it punched them in the face.
     
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    "Liberalism" is a centrist philosophy. Ideas straddle the left and the right. I understand that in the U.S., Liberal = Leftist, but this not correct. It speaks to a lack of political education. Europeans and others around the world where a Left actual exists understand the word much better. Politics in the U.S. are hopelessly swayed to the Right, across the board. Confusion ensues.

    Economically, Bill Clinton is a Neoliberal (as is Barack Obama, as is Hillary Clinton). Neoliberalism is still Liberalism, but decided Right of center. On social issues, he can be seen as a bit Right of center as well.
     

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