Why Are Black Bikers More Likely to Die in Crashes than Whites?

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  1. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Why Are Black Bikers More Likely to Die in Crashes than Whites?
    http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/...to-die-in-crashes-than-whites/?xid=yahoo-feat

    Could it be that driving style, personal choice, etc. have much more to do with the level of danger while driving than whether or not the state requires you to wear a helmet? BTW, in my opinion the vast majority of the discrepancy here is likely to do with the different kinds of bikes ridden by a higher percentage of blacks to whites and the consequential riding style that comes from this choice. Leisure vs. adrenaline. Relaxation vs. speed and stunts.
     
  2. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Welcome back 5P! I missed my daily dose of conservatism.

    As to the subject matter, I can only say... :confused: and :confused: and finally, :confused:.
     
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    You really are the worst cherry picker.


     
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    All I can say is, why is this even here? What is the point? Is there some sort of implication?
     
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    I ride; have a 2009 BMW R1200RT; and we riders tend to notice the antics of fellow riders.

    white guys = cruiser crowd, tends to toil around the neighborhood or with lots of friends going on a ride from A to B at slow speed. Leather jackets on occasion but usually can count on them at least having gloves and boots. Plus you can add in the whole touring bike crowd as well.

    Black guys = sport bikes predominantly, very fast riding usually on city streets. Usually racing. Sure they have a helmet, but most are likely it muscle shirts and shorts with tennis shoes. This seems more city culture to me, as when you get out to the suburbs the ricky racer crowd; black or white or whatever; suddenly sprouts at least good riding jackets if not full racing leathers.

    Freaks like me, ATGATT, all the gear all the time, though as I get lazy I tend to rely on jeans instead of riding pants, especially in the afternoon, I am never without boots, jacket, gloves, and full face helmet.
     
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    Black riders are more likely to be socialist kenyans, and thus over-regulation by the government is unnecessary and against something one of our founding fathers said. Oh, don't forget Rand Paul's ideas on riding safety would save millions of lives! /end sarcasm.

    I think the issue isn't color, but age. I've seen just as many stupid white riders as black riders. The difference is that the percentage of young riders amongst blacks seems far higher than with whites. Just my opinion, not based on anything.

    btw, I have one of the last shovelheads.
     
  7. gilkisson macrumors 65816

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    This, this, and this. I'm in Myrtle Beach, where we have bike rallys of both kinds, the Harley crowd and the crotch-rocket crowd.

    Younger guys are the ones on the crotch rockets, doing the wheelies, acting the fool, impressing young women. Old guys on Harleys don't do wheelies so much -- get past a certain age, it's hard to get it up....

    Both groups are human, both groups contain a subset of fools, and foolishness transcends race. Be drunk or stupid and engage in any vehicular activity, you will become a statistic. No matter what color you are.
     
  8. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    FTW*.

    Who knew the answer was better healthcare?

    Certainly not 5P.




    *I rarely can bring myself to read his links. Thank God for your strength and perseverance.
     
  9. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    I think 5P wants a new government program to buy Harley's for blacks.
     
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    Nope, anything with Glenn Beck will always be the lowest of low.
     
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    I miss ITN and his efforts to find rock bottom.
     
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    Are we sure he didn't break his neck on it? :p
     
  14. IntelliUser macrumors 6502

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    It's curious though, African Americans are more likely to die from just about everything. Including diseases.
     
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    Poor people get sick and die more often the prosperous people.

    Poverty is at a much higher percentage in black communities than it white communities.

    Also it's undeniable that there are many self perpetuating trends in African American society that lead to less healthy/safe environments.
     
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    racist!
     
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    Does Q track inane threads on his speadsheets??
     
  19. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Amen bro. Just look at what happened to Michael Jackson...

    Did you know that blacks are 50% more likely to have their Jheri curls catch on fire?
     

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    What exactly is 'LOW' about it? The fact that in a thread last week people were going stark mad at my suggestion that states shouldn't require helmets... that it should be up to the person's personal decision... and then post this thread w/ a link to a story clearly implying that there are many things which can make a person more prone to dying in an accident, and that we can't outlaw them all. Nothing about it is 'low.'

    It would seem to me that if this story is true, liberal big-goverment nanny state advocates would be more interested in passing laws banning crotch-rocket style motorcycles or maybe outlawing anyone with black skin from owning a motorcycle - period. Because in your warped worldview wouldn't that be saving lives? The government HAS to be there to protect the people from themselves after all! Liberty be damned. :rolleyes:

    Anyone who thinks this thread is remotely racist doesn't know what the word racist means and has been led by pop culture to believe that any time someone even mentions or discusses race that that in and of itself represents racism.
     
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    Serious?
     
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    No. No. He just didn't know about the Jheri Curls.

    Those things can kill ya!
     
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    Haha well said.

    Of course I was not serious when I said "Racist." It was a jab in the eye ;)

    But I totally agree with you.

    I can just hear the protectors of the world rallying together to figure out how to solve this crisis!

    In all seriousness though, I have a feeling that if motorcycles were not so "green," they would be either taxed into oblivion or outright banned from public roads.
     
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    And you still are stark raving. Even your own link and article doesn't support what you said. As I posted above the parts of the article you chose to leave out of your OP speaks volumes.

    Petulant and superficial culture wars statements such as this;
    Yawn.


    The conclusions you've jumped to are again entirely ideological and have very little to do with the article you've referenced or the paper it draws upon. You are also trying to construct the terrible strawman that people who disagree with you on helmets see them as the only factor in surviving a road traffic accident. That is patently not the case at all. Nobody in any thread has ever said helmets were the only factor in mortality from road traffic accidents. It is always, and will always be multifactorial.

    Some passages from the paper
    How you are able to draw definitive conclusions on helmet use when the authors couldn't is beyond me.

    And one last one on the author's recommendations;
     

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