Why are liberals so contradictory on big government in people bedroom ?

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  1. nec207 macrumors 6502

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    The liberals are just has guilty has conservatives at getting in people bedroom and lives.The liberals may be for legalizing marijuana and prostitution!! But it is the liberals that is passing all those anti-tobacco laws and anti - junk food in schools. Look at New York city that has ban large pop drinks.

    It is also liberals that are anti- casinos and want all liquor stores to be government owned and tax !! called a sin tax like in the UK and Canada.


    I thought the liberals wanted big government out of people lives?
     
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    Liberals don't want big government out of peoples lives. That's the conservative line. Has been for years. Remember Ronald regan? Conservatives still quote his famous big government is the problem speech.
     
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    Uh how?

    Yes

    not so much?

    Good, the less people who smoke, the better. It costs us billions upon billions in taxpayer healthcare costs,

    I don't want kids eating junk food and getting fat and useless, I want them eating good food and not getting fat and useless.

    Thats just New York City.

    Plus, who drinks pop anyway? That stuff is nasty.

    Huh? Casinos are legal in many states and cities.

    Huh? Only a couple states in the US have state owned booze stores, and the ones that do seem to make lots of money for the taxpayer off it.

    They do within reason.

    Conservatives are the ones who want to tell you its not ok to be homosexual, and its not ok to have control over your bodies if your a women.
     
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    But when Liberals and conservative debate comes up , it is the Liberals saying how the conservative are getting in people bedroom and lives on these thing. Like telling gay people want they can or cannot do is big government.
     
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    That's one issue that the liberals want big governments help with by legalizing gay marriage. Honestly, watch Fox News any day of the week. It's the republicans who hate big government.
     
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    Mandating a healthier lifestyle very early on instead of the corporatised fast-food culture is bad? It is the same with tobacco. Ban all cigarettes, if they were a new product only discovered today then they would be rejected to market by the FDA because they are toxic.

    That said, the NYC restrictions on soda/pop sizes is pushing it too far IMO.

    What is wrong with having government-owned casinos and liquor stores? This is standard practice in the Nordic countries. It means the supply and sale of the alcohol is tightly controlled and you can be sure that alcohol laws are enforced more effectively in government-owned stores than private ones. It helps to prevent over consumption, which, in countries with universal and government-funded (or government-owned) health systems (the vast majority), is in the interest of the government to regulate the supply because it will reduce unnecessary strain on the health system.

    If you're talking about the restrictions on food and drink then I'm sorry but we tried your approach of "freedom". It got us to the situation we're in now whereby a considerable chunk of the population are obese or very overweight, lead unhealthy lifestyles, and children are being socialised into this unhealthy lifestyle through aggressive corporate advertising.

    It is the conservatives who in my opinion want to get involved in people's lives. They want the government out of our lives whilst at the same time they want to use the authority of government to dictate what choices a woman can and can not make with her body, which God you should worship or which religious teachings to follow, or who you are allowed to marry, for instance.
     
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    Well than the liberals are contradictory to what they saying .


    But when Liberals and conservative debate comes up , it is the Liberals saying how the conservative are getting in people bedroom and lives on these thing morality like sex , drugs , common law living ,sex out of the wedlock , use of birth control is sin and gays or lesbian is sin.


    So now they are contradictory when they are doing those things.
     
  9. zin macrumors 6502

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    How do "the liberals" want to regulate the things you have mentioned?

    The examples in your original post were more in line with regulating food and drink and drugs.
     
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    Are liberals pushing for laws making cigarettes or junk food illegal? No.

    Are conservatives pushing for laws making abortion and gay marriage (and in some cases anal sex) illegal? Yes.

    So yeah, there you go.
     
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    I have to wonder why people are responding to an obvious troll topic.
     
  12. nec207 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I'm sorry but you are misinformed on what liberal and conservative is.


    The conservative philosophy is preserving existing conditions and traditional , this is strong on morality like sex and drugs . It is part of the conservatives core value . Small government and little to no social programs .Low tax and strong private sector .

    The liberals believe that freedom is impossible without equality, and that governments should promote equality by providing education ,social programs and health care supported by tax ,characteristic of liberalism. of equality and freedom .



    But in end both are contradictory because conservative are big government on social issues and liberals are big government on economics. Plus liberals are contradictory on social issues , thus why conservative are saying they are contradictory.

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    That is why libertarian are laughing at conservatives and liberals , both are big government and contradictory.
     
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    I agree that contradictions exist in both liberals and conservatives. For instance, I'm anti-death penalty, anti-war, but pro-choice and pro-euthanasia.

    Do you think there's a political philosophy without contradiction?

    What is your personal preference?
     
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    I was posting this thread from libertarian point of view .The conservative talk all the time of big government , yet they are getting in people bedroom and lives ( most liberals hate that too ) . Well liberals are strong on the welfare state and social program and both libertarian and conservative hate that so called big government.

    Yet I was pointing out what some conservatives are saying , you are for legalizing of marijuana and prostitution but you contradictory on other social values .
     
  15. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Do you believe that you (or Libertarians) are free of any contradictions?
     
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    I just got a nosebleed from trying to translate OP's posts.



    In a nutshell, as a gay woman, I have the neo-Conservative movement trying to regulate what I can do with my body if I were to become pregnant or terminally ill. They're also doing their damnedest to keep me from having the American Dream™ by fighting to stop me from being able to marry the woman I love, as well as trying to roll back protections against anti-gay practices in employment.

    Worst thing I'm seeing the "liberals" (which to be honest, there are very few true Liberals in Washington) pushing in our government is some kind of Healthcare reform, and trying to protect our kids from becoming the human race from Wall-E.
     
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    I'm NOT taking sides of who I would support be it liberal ,conservative or Libertarians. I was just trying to talk about this big government and contradictory of parties.
     
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    Wait.. you mean the same conservative philosophy that, over the last 45 years:
    • threw away all shreds of decency, honour, and respect by breaking into an opposing party's headquarters with the President's knowledge?
    • bailed out, in the following order when the Conservatives had a POTUS in office: a railroad company (1970), defense firm (1971), a bank (1974), an automobile company (1980), a bank (1984), 747 other banks due to a Tax law (1986-1989), 4 airlines (2001-2003), and more banks (2008), to a near combined total of nearly $1.65 trillion?
    • sold anywhere from $60 to $630 million in weapons to people who would use those weapons against us 20 years later?
    • caused unemployment rates to go up, welfare spending increase, and oil prices to soar on at least 3 different occasions? And
    • waged 2 wars on deficit spending, expanded government twice with the DHS and TSA being created, and government overreach into people's privacy in the name of safety (Patriot Act)?

    That conservative philosophy? The same one with 'traditional family values', such as almost having a vPOTUS whose daughter had a child out of wedlock? Those conservative philosophies?

    The conservative philosophy that saw a porn star endorse the conservatives' pick for POTUS? That philosophy?

    Seeing that Clinton left us with a balanced budget, I clearly must have the wrong conservative philosophies in mind. Care to enlighten me on which ones you are talking about and which are their 'real' values?

    Seeing that Lincoln, Grant, Garfield, McKinley, and the Senator from Tennessee who was the last to vote yes in ratifying the 19th Amendment were all for equality and insuring that freedom for all regardless of race, color, or gender, along with conservatives who also wanted that, I'd say that this statement is completely wrong, and someone's history is just as skewed.


    Judging from 2000 to current, I'd say that conservatives are big government on a lot more than you realize, and are completely off on liberals.

    Funnily enough, some libertarians can't get either of those right.

    BL.
     
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    You're doing a really, really poor job of explaining yourself.
     
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    That is why Libertarians would be laughing at them .You and I know conservatives serve the rich and corporations !!! And get the votes for average person by saying vote for me you will get small tax , privet sector , strong morality on vice and family values.

    Most conservatives over look other morality part , when it comes to wars ,corporations ,rich and economy !! Because the media cannot say bad things about wall street .So most people think the conservatives do better job on well street.
     
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    Judging by the last election, and especially how FiveThirtyEight called the entire election right, state by state, They certainly did not get the votes from the average person. Their side lost, and now we have another do-nothing Congress, that is more obstructionist because between 2000 and now, they lost what their philosophies are.

    BL.
     
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    I thought you weren't taking sides.
     
  23. nec207 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    The US is very divided country and has been for long time.That other thread all together.

    And problem that is sad to this day.

    I was reading posts on the internet and hearing what Libertarians and conservatives / liberals where saying and bit confused.

    The liberals seem too agree more on social issues with libertarians than conservatives , of the less of two evil.Where they will different on is social programs.

    And I'm not talking about fake libertarians , misinformed libertarians and tea party movement in the US that want to cut all government programs !!! but have conservative type thought /control over people body and in the house.This is not libertarian.
     
  24. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I don't want to be a thread killer—and I believe you're sincere with your question—however, it's not just liberals or conservatives who are inconsistent. People in general are inconsistent. Even you are probably inconsistent in your beliefs.

    This isn't wrong. When we're inconsistent it's usually because there's a reason behind it. People have the ability to discriminate based on circumstances and not simply follow a determined path. That's one of the finer aspects of being a human being, the capability to perceive, discern and decide ... to hold (seemingly) contradictory positions.
     
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    The NYC soda ban was proposed by a republican and shot down by an appellate court where 12 of the 17 justices were appointed by Democratic governors.

    Get your basic facts straight before posting if you want to be taken seriously
     

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