Why do African-Americans vote against their own interests?

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    From the crime bill to welfare reform to the repeal of Glass-Steagal to NAFTA, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.

    So why do they support Hillary?
     
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    Because they have no voice showing them the reality on the ground and on MSM. So they just get used over and over again giving them only hope (and hate)..then despair.
     
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    Because Joe Biden told them the Republicans want to put them back in chains.


    It's called using fear to brainwash. It's very effective. One side knows they won't get their vote, so they don't try. The other side knows they've got nowhere else to go.

    Now they are getting mad because "the check keeps bouncing" and the Dems are going after the swing and hispanic votes.

    They won't stop voting, and won't stop voting for Dems, and Dems know this so they know they don't have to work for their vote. Oldest trick in the book. They'll defend their voting pattern very strongly while ignoring the net outcome.

    Even Travis Smiley came out and said Blacks are worse off in EVERY economic category under Obama. Yet they would vote for him over and over again if they could.

    It's cheaper (and easier) to provide excuses than it is to provide results.

    If the Dems fixed poverty, they'd lose their powerful hold on those in poverty. Why fix something that provides you with so much power.

    Now, sit back and wait... The Dems will come in and bash the GOP saying they've never done anything... while overlooking the fact BOTH the Dems and GOP has never done anything, yet only ONE gets their vote.

    Like a circle, this has no end. Look at Detroit, how much more evidence would it take?
     
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    they must have decided that what the republicans offer is even worse
     
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    The result of low information, combined with fear and superstition. And dems free Obama phones!

     
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    They did a follow up on that lady that was known as the "Obama phone lady", she changed her views because she saw how the economy ended up under Obama.

    They should go back and do a follow up on these people.
     
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    Same reason a lot of poor republicans vote republican: they are brainwashed into it.

    Both sides have their low information voters.
     
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    Why do you claim to know what African-Americans' best interests are?
     
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    The chutzpah and paternalistic condescension necessary to create this thread is utterly staggering. One for the record books.
     
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    A generally indignant whitewash is the preferred fallback position when there's no dismantling of the assertions stated in OP or post 3. I'll add 50 years of Detroit under Democratic rule and look at its condition today.
     
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    People like to reference Detroit without giving fair thought to the fact that its primary industry, automotives, left the city and devastated its manufacturing base.

    Entire states, on the other hand, such as Mississippi and Louisiana, consistently the poorest and least educated in the nation, have always been that way. There hasn't been a decline because those states have always been that way. Strangely lead by the most conservative people for a very long time.

    What's your explanation for those states?
     
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    The whole economy has changed in 50 years. Detroit went from the richest in the nation to what it is today. After 50 years, they've been unable to do anything. There just isn't any excuse for it, their system simply doesn't work. It's never worked.

    What does conservative people have to do with this. Detroit is OWNED by Dems. So are the poorest cities across the US. The conservatives might run the state, but the cities are OWNED by the Dems.

    We've let the Dems have many cities all over the US, which ones have they done well with? NY city was bankrupt and had to go to Ford to get a bailout in the 70's. Their system simply doesn't work and they will never ever admit it so we'll come back in a few hundred centuries and they'll still be trying the same thing.

    Let them have it, let them own it. It's basically nothing but a prison the Dems created. It's a Dem utopia, no jobs, all blame, that's what the Dems do, it's never going to change.
     
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    The automotive industry was owned by the Democratic Party too?

    The poorest states are only poor because some of their cities are run by elected Democrats? It has nothing to do with the education policies pursued by the State Government? Nothing to do with the backwards style of thinking when it comes to social issues?

    That kind of thinking will require some data to convince me. The reason places like Mississippi and Louisiana are so poorly educated and entrenched in poverty is because this is true across the entire state. For instance, only one county in Mississippi has a per capita income and median household income greater than that of the U.S. as a whole.

    Your theory of blaming the Democrats for why entire states in the South frequently have the worst education, health, and policy outcomes is laughable.

    Do you want places from the 1970s or today?

    NYC, New York; Arlington, Virginia; San Francisco, California; Marin, California; Montgomery, Maryland; Juneau, Alaska; San Mateo, California; Kalawao, Hawaii; Summit County, Utah; Nassau County, New York.

    You really are a broken record. Everything is black and white to you, isn't it (or in this case, red or blue)?
     
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    So, you're not acknowledging the bottom of the barrel states that are mostly Republican, instead cherry-picking a few cities, some of which had obvious reasons for their decline?
     
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    It seems to be his logic. If all of these places are overwhelmingly Democratic, then they are poor, unhealthy, and badly educated; therefore, the money that finances the net federal aid to the Red States must be coming from nowhere.

    It makes perfect sense.
     
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    A state is made up of a bunch of cities, you have a mix of power. Looking only at one position and finding blame doesn't work. That's why Detroit is such a great example. The Dems own the whole thing. Same with Baltimore. They have nobody else to blame. A city is the best way to break things down, they have closest control of power, they make the local rules and taxes, they compete with other cities for businesses. Detroit and Baltimore shows just how Dems run things.
     
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    Because the GOP right-wingers keep supporting and defending the trigger-happy cops who shoot black citizens.
     
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    I will add hundreds of years of conservative rule in the south. The poorest the most unemployed the lowest education. The most welfare usage the worst medical
     
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    What happened to the Auto industry is old news, it's an excuse for many decades ago. They've had plenty of chances to attract new industry and nobody wants to go there. There's no reason for any business to setup in these cities, they are a wasteland. Why would anyone ever go there.

    As far as education goes, the Dems own education. It's a Union run, Dem own system that's failing. They've produced people that aren't ready for the real world and can't compete. No job skills after 12 years is a failure.

    Notice a pattern of dependence here? The Dems have ZERO success. All they have is someone else to blame things on. Always an excuse, never a success, that's the Dems game plan.
     
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    And the list of other places, that I put in a reply to another post, don't count, right?

    Only the bad ones count.
     
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    But on the flip side, they do get the lion's share of government assistance. So it's in their best interests to promote anybody that keeps the milk and honey flowing.
     
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    That is a blatantly dishonest statement. I didn't say that I know what African-Americans' best interests are.

    Anyone who was conscience over the past 25+ years knows that the Clintons' crime bill, the Clintons' welfare reform, the Clintons' repeal of Glass-Steagal, and the Clintons' NAFTA all devastated the working class and especially affected African-Americans. Bernie Sanders opposed all over those, yet African-Americans are supporting Hillary 3 - 1 over Bernie.

    So I ask again: why are African-Americans voting against their own interests?
     
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    did those bottom of the barrel states ever had the same advantages as those states the democrats killed? how many automotive plants moved from the bottom of the barrel states?
     
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    I think the more pertinent question is why poor people do not unite in the US to make the political and financial systems more fair. I think one way the top 0.1% have managed to pull ahead while everybody else is just treading water or drowning is that they have managed to convince poor white people that their interests differ from poor people in minority groups. 'Revolt against the other, but not against the rule.' - Iggy Pop
     
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    we are deeply divided.
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