Why do people expect perfection on Day 1 of iOS 11?

Discussion in 'iOS 11' started by gobikerider, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. gobikerider Suspended

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    I continually see posts about iOS performance for older devices and even current ones being lackluster in iOS 11 beta. These people keep hoping to see a difference in the GM and while they probably will improve performance alittle further. However you won't see final performance until July next year when iOS 11.2.3 or 11.3.1 or whatever is released. Apple does this every year, why set yourself up for disappointment in the GM or even official release when we all know it'll take months before iOS 11 is truly "polished"
     
  2. bmac89 macrumors 65816

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    Well it would be nice if Apple didn’t constantly push the update on users so they can continue to enjoy using a solid operating system until the new one has been fixed.
     
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    If it weren't for massive under the good improvements to iOS 11 api's amd applications I would hold off till next July but unfortunately I can't, also having the new iPad Pro, performance isn't exactly a concern for me.
     
  4. oldmacs macrumors 601

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    Because as soon as it is released Apple starts pushing it onto unwitting consumers, and doesn't allow a downgrade after a week or so. Apple needs to stop forcing iOS releases to fit with hardware release dates and wait till its actually ready to release. I personally think iOS 11 is a poor effort performance wise especially on iPhones, where the improvements are more cosmetic. I had iOS 10 from the first public beta on my iPhone 5 and it was much better than iOS 11 at the current beta.
     
  5. bmac89, Sep 12, 2017
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    Just to clarify... I jumped on the beta and I am willing to put up with some issues as I am enjoying the new features it brings, but I know others who don’t want to be messing about and would rather continue using a solid operating system without being harassed to update every day. I can totally understand this and have even been in that position myself in the past. The constant nagging to update is irritating to say the least!
     
  6. iphonehype macrumors 6502

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    Surly the end user who just wants the experience and has no or little knowledge about IT should expect a perfect OS?

    My friends, family who do understand the fundamentals of the developemrnt world bugs etc have ever right to expect a perfect OS?

    Shouldn’t that also go for me; someone who is a developer and paying Apple £900 for an iPhone? I shouldn’t expect flaws?
     
  7. gobikerider thread starter Suspended

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    I don't see the big hassle, worst case scenario you let it download install overnight? There isn't hassle in doing that although I don't recommend it if your looking to get the best performance in iOS 11.
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    Ughhh? Your being sarcastic right bugs will happen even in Apple's closed garden. Also $900 isnt a bad deal considering a iphone will last 4-5 years.
     
  8. gwhizkids macrumors 601

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    To some extent, Apple is a victim of its own success. As an operating system, iOS has been very successful in presenting a seamless experience for users. Each version of the OS tends to be very polished, especially, as you note, towards the end of its development life. That gives rise to expectations that the next version is just iterative and should be just as polished. But, as we know, fixing things and adding things tends to break other things. So, the new version has to go back to the drawing board to smooth out those areas that are affected by the changes. In addition, a lot of people are basing their present reactions on using the betas. That should never be your benchmark, for a lot of reasons.
     
  9. TheSkywalker77 macrumors 6502a

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    Any new version of the OS won't be perfectly smooth right on release. They need time to iron it out and in a month or so it'll be pretty smooth.
     
  10. Pikachuguy macrumors newbie

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    Probably won't on Day1 takes a month at least
     
  11. iphonehype macrumors 6502

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    The average joe doesn’t know what a bug is. So it’s okay for we understand them. What do you tell average joe? Wait next year when 11.13 is out and your £1000 iphone will be perfect?

    Is it okay for my £42,000 BMW to have issues with BMW ConnectedDrive?
     
  12. Jayson A macrumors 68000

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    Just as soon as the OS is perfectly stable, fast and polished, they release a new one and start all over again. I wish iOS updates were more incremental instead of a complete re-haul so they wouldn't break as many things.

    It took forever for my iPhone 7 Plus to work properly on iOS 10. When I first got it, it was sloppy and animations did weird things. Lots of glitches everywhere. They finally addressed all of that with 10.3 (which took about 9 months or so).

    So yeah, I'm not really ready to install a new glitch-fest.
     
  13. one more, Sep 12, 2017
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    “Perfection” is very subjective and for lots of people as long as the thing does what it should everything is ok. Of course there are some who set their expectations bar very high & are bound to be somewhat disappointed. Bugs are just there, as the software becomes more & more sophisticated & resource-hungry. Want a new groundbreaking feature? Voilà, it comes with a new bug. ;) I am running the latest PB on iPhone SE and, seriously, can’t find anything wrong with it.
     
  14. GreyOS macrumors 68040

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    Perhaps because it's the 11th major iteration of the operating system. I understand that each major version adds in many under the hood changes which introduce the risk of bugs. But equally, they've been doing this for 10 years now, and it feels like each iteration at this point should be a clear improvement on the last. Why do we go through some of the same problems every year?

    People seem to accept that each major version will inevitably introduce performance issues and so on. I understand each major version has increased risk of doing this (over more minor, bug fixing updates), but it's not inevitable, and it should be increasingly less likely imo.
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    People were even defending poorer performance in iOS 9, when one of iOS 9's stated features was better performance. If Apple are updating their OS to include performance improvements, the argument that it's normal for the update to reduce performance until they fix it up in later minor updates just doesn't make sense.
     
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    That's why I usually ignore all the invitations and upgrade yearly in January. I have no interest in being part of the development process and really only want the d****d thing to work well.
     
  16. billionsofeyes macrumors newbie

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    Because people are idiots and usually don't understand what goes in to actually creating an OS.

    They know how to criticize though
     
  17. gobikerider thread starter Suspended

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    Ive done a restore every year to the newest release and personally never had a "broken feature" or issue.
     
  18. scjr macrumors 68020

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    It’s perfectly fine to be disappointed with something not working properly. Whatever it might be.

    In the end, at least for me, the animation and fluidity issues don’t stop iOS 11 from functioning properly.
     
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    They expect perfection because now apple allows PUBLIC beta testers, which more than triples the pool of testers, to find issue and errors and get them fixed!
     
  20. Paddle1 macrumors 68040

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    I don't think it's unreasonable to not expect performance and stability to worsen in an update. The rest of the updates throughout the year do not do this. However, with iOS x.0 that's not how it works. They make the features and changes then work on performance and stability later. Ideally, that would happen before public release, with the betas allowing for pre-release real world testing. The performance and stability increases over the beta period but it's generally still worse than the existing stable release.
     
  21. CTHarrryH macrumors 68000

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    Anyone who has done serious programming for large scale implementations would know that it is impossible to test enough and fix everything until more and more people use the software. With something like this software half the buges at least are in applications that need fixing.
    Of course even if there were no problems there would be a dozen of threads about how bad the software is and Apple has lost it and, and, and.
     
  22. GreyOS macrumors 68040

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    its obvious that new features are likely to be buggy and need more eyes on them to be found.

    I think the problem people have is that a lot of the same old issues crop up, such as performance issues, and it’s not obvious why, and these issues always take many months to resolve. Then the next major version is out and we repeat the process...

    People think there should be a core staple to the OS which can only improve as each release fixes bugs and makes improvements. Same mistakes not made over and over.

    They will forgive bugs in new features or overhauled features
     
  23. dwfaust macrumors 601

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    Who made you update? It's not even released yet... THIS really gets me... Find what works for you and then camp out. Seems easy enough.
     
  24. Rafterman macrumors 68020

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    Because iOS 1.0 was Day One. iOS 11 is day 3,600.
     
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    Hahahahaha :D
     

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