Why do the English hate Tony Blair?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by inlimbo, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. inlimbo macrumors 6502

    Jan 29, 2005
    Sydney, Australia
    This might seem like a stupid question. I consistently see on TV and read in the papers how much the British hate Mr Blair. I think he topped the most recent 100 worst Britains pole (?)

    I can understand that they hate him over Iraq. But he seems to get vast more criticism then Mr Bush or our PM John Howard. So I am assuming that domestic issues come into play. What are the issues? I know its probably not an easy question

    Is it simply Iraq or is there more too it? And does that mean the Conservatives have a real chance of getting in? But the Brits also hate the Conservatives don't they? How long has it been since they were in office? (Before I was born I think ha ha. Well maybe not that long.) Or do the poms just hate every party :D Why was he voted in for a 3rd term if everyone hates him?
  2. it5five macrumors 65816


    May 31, 2006
    New York
    EDIT: Looks like I was wrong after reading about it. I'll just let someone from England explain it.
  3. MRU Suspended


    Aug 23, 2005
    What you read is done from an Australian perspective and therefore has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

    Most people in the UK do not agree with Tony Blair's decision to go hand in hand with President Bush (who may I also remind you is also suffering hugely in polls) but that does not mean they HATE HIM personally. They disagree with the policy rather than the person.

    Most of the crap in papers over here about the back benchers wanting to oust him and make him name a date for his departure is done to fill papers with somthing to scandal over, rather than from the genuine attitude of british voter.

    People in the UK are smart enough to realise it makes no differnce if you have Tony Blair or Gordon Brown in power - the policy remains the same.

    When it comes to the elections, regardless of how Iraq may have angered people, it will be relegated to quite far down in the scheme of prioritys, with economy, schools, health being far more of a deal breaker. Whilst the country is doing alright the government will remain, or whilst the oposition offers no real differnce other than throw away slogans, the government will remain, and hence that is why the conservatives are not in power, not because everyone HATES them.

    If anything the average person in the UK feels sympathy towards Blair for the toll the last few years has taken on him, he is a shadow of the frame of the confident man that came to power - he looks ill.

    Whilst they dont agree with his policy or decision, they dont wish him harm, and hence do not HATE Tony Blair...
  4. toontra macrumors 6502

    Feb 6, 2003
    London UK
    Speak for yourself! I hate him for lying about the reasons for war. I hate him for selling out socialism in the UK. I hate the fact he accepts freebie holidays from people like Berlusconi. I hate his personal efforts to introduce mass gambling, GM crops, PFI's and tuition fees. I also hate his onion-eyed, hammy oratory (which was once oh-so convincing) and his "personal passions". Oh, so many reasons. :(

    BTW, MacRumorUser, I notice you are in Eire. Perhaps the perspective is as different from where you are as from Australia.
  5. yellow Moderator emeritus


    Oct 21, 2003
    Portland, OR
    [thread hijack]
    I hate the fact that our leader can't even say "nuclear" correctly.
    What the **** is up with that? :confused:
    [/thread hijack]
  6. Sayhey macrumors 68000


    May 22, 2003
    San Francisco
    I realized that most brits hated the guy, heck, I do too, but hanging him atop a pole of 100 people is a bit extreme, don't you think? ;)
  7. iJaz macrumors 6502a


    Dec 16, 2004
    They hate him more than Margaret Thatcher? :eek:
    Well, the memory is short. :rolleyes:
  8. MrSmith macrumors 68040


    Nov 27, 2003
    Hate mail

    This is now doing the rounds:
    Posted as a reflection of public opinion. I never said it was funny :(
  9. BoyBach macrumors 68040


    Feb 24, 2006
    It's not just the English, here in the UK, that don't like Tony Blair.
  10. Queso Suspended

    Mar 4, 2006
    I think that's becoming a reality as time goes on. Thatcher was (is) a sociopath, following her convictions without regard for the effects they had on others, but if Bush had tried to get her on board for Iraq the whole thing would have been done the British way or not at all.

    Bliar was elected in 1997 to sort out corruption and bring both the democracy of this country and it's public services into the 21st century. Instead he's increased the tax burden by exponentiallly growing the civil service, backed his corrupt minister friends exactly as his predecessors did, filled the House of Lords with his friends rather than elected representatives of the people, overseen tens of billions of wasted pounds on failed government initiatives, and since 2001 confused his own job with that of US Secretary of State, flying around the world poking his nose into other people's problems whilst ignoring his own country's.

    The man is an embarrassment to the office of Prime Minister. His government remains in power mostly because Conservative voters have stayed home on election day for two general elections. The Labour party only managed to get 22% of the British electorate to vote for them in 2005, more than the Conservatives or Liberal Democrats, but far far less than the "none of the above" stay at home vote of 38.8%.

    The sad thing is, due to his cosying up to the Bush war-billions, Bliar will become a very rich man when he leaves office. If I had my way, I'd have him publicly shackled in Trafalgar Square before being flown in a covert plane to The Hague, where he would face justice for his part in war crimes in the Middle East. You'll note I allow him the luxury of a trial, unlike so many of the detainees he's been locking up in the name of anti-terrorism over the past couple of years.

    But do I hate him? That's touch and go. I'd like to kick his conceited overzealous grinning face in, that's for sure.
  11. MRU Suspended


    Aug 23, 2005
    Well only difference maybe for me comapred to the OP is I still get all the British news (BBC/SKY/iTV) and TV programmes (Question Time etc..) & UK newspapers too.

    But yeah my opinion is sallied by the fact that I left the UK not long after he got ino office (1998 i came back after uni).

    But watching things like BBC & Sky - Satirical TV - Reading newspapers I never for once thought that there was that much bitterness and hate towards him.

    Hell our Prime Minister just spent the last month hounded by the press being flamed for taking undeclared money 'loans' & 'gifts' wa few years ago. The result.... Bertie went up in personal opinion and is now even more popular. Do we always have to do everything irish ;)
  12. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    I think he should be tried in Baghdad.
  13. Applespider macrumors G4


    Jan 20, 2004
    looking through rose-tinted spectacles...
    How beautifully put... I do think he's sitll more hated than Thatcher although then again, I think that people in this country's memories are too long in that regard - and too short in terms of some of the good she and her governments did in terms of dragging the UK into a more modern business mindset.

    MacRumorUser - the average UK citizen has sympathy? Don't think so... Of course, he looks older - 10 years have passed after all!
  14. koobcamuk macrumors 68040


    Oct 23, 2006
    I just remembered I hate Blair.

    Tony Blair is a fool, that's why.
  15. chrmjenkins macrumors 603


    Oct 29, 2007
    Little did you know, I hear Mr. Blair supports digging up 4 year old threads. Now you're on the enemy's side! :rolleyes:
  16. oscillatewildly macrumors 68000

    Jul 17, 2007
    23 Railway Cuttings
    His grin; one of the few things that make me wish interactive TV was truly interactive.

  17. koobcamuk macrumors 68040


    Oct 23, 2006
    I didn't know that.
  18. Mitch1984 macrumors 6502


    May 16, 2005
    I think regardless of whether the Iraq dossier was enough to go to war or not, do people think it wasn't a good idea to rid the world of Saddam Hussain.

    I think Tony Blair did alot of good that people forget, but it's become 'fashionable' to hate Tony Blair.

    I recall everyone and the media celebrating when that statue was pulled down, now you don't hear from those over the of the people who disagree with the Iraq war.
  19. yojitani macrumors 68000


    Apr 28, 2005
    An octopus's garden
    Bliar is hated over more than Iraq. His 'New Labour' abandoned roots in traditional industries and the working class, nuzzled up too closely with Thatcherism (such a move wasn't politically necessary, the cons were in disarray by 1997 and had nearly been defeated by Kinnock-led party in, what, 1992), and generally became too showy with spin doctors and the like. By 1998 he was deeply unpopular in the area of North London where I lived (Wood Green) - well, at least by everyone I met at the post office and the GP's. :D The Iraq War was not only severely misguided, but it also confirmed what many thought of Blair - that he was an American product: superficial and brash. I don't mean to convey that as my opinion of Americans - that's not the way I think - but as how he was seen. Still is. When he returned to drum up support for labour at the last election, the talk was of his tan and how American he looked.
  20. Queso Suspended

    Mar 4, 2006
    Maybe it's because a couple of weeks later the pulling down of the statue was shown to be a stage-managed event.

    Just like the rest of Bliar's time in office.
  21. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus


    Jul 24, 2002
    English is not the same as British. Please use them correctly. It's like assuming everyone in the USA comes from Alabama. And I'm sure you'd not like that.
  22. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus


    Jul 24, 2002
    Scotland and Wales have their own legislative parliaments. Scotland prints it's own money. I find your complete writing off of my national identity grossly offensive, narrow minded and ignorant of the facts.
  23. OllyW Moderator


    Staff Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    The Black Country, England
    What an ignorant attitude. The countries making up the UK are proud of their identity and rightly so. If you want to lump us under one umbrella then at least use the correct name, which is British. :mad:
  24. Jaffa Cake macrumors Core

    Jaffa Cake

    Aug 1, 2004
    The City of Culture, Englandshire
    If that opinion were to be put to a Scotsman or a Welshman, I don't think the response you'd get would be very favourable at all. Mind, quite a few English folk wouldn't be happy either. ;)

    National (and indeed regional) identities are cherished by a great many people here. What you may view as being irrelevant is actually something people place a great deal of value in.
  25. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus


    Jul 24, 2002
    Great. Then by your definition as you all use the US Dollar, you are all represented internationally by White House and Obama is your head of state I can use any individual state identity to refer to all Americans. I'll remember that next time I'm talking to one of you Nebraskans. Even if they come from New York.

    p.s. Facts that were incorrect:

    1) "the same parliament decides for you": As I pointed out Scotland and Wales have their own Parliaments. In Scotland this is especially pronounced where they have tax raising powers. Scottish law is very different to English law in many places.

    2) "since England conquered the rest of you": The crowns of England and Scotland were unified by a Scotsman, James VI (and 1st of England). It is arguable therefore that we conquered them.

    3) "Until you are a truly independent nation like for example Australia": The Queen is still the head of state of Australia (and Canada and quite a few other places). Do you refer to them as English?

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