Why do you support Kerry?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Durandal7, Jul 23, 2004.

  1. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

    Feb 24, 2001
    In the spirit of the thread Why do you like Bush? I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread for Kerry supporters to explain why they are supporting Kerry.

    Please do not turn this into a Bush-bashing thread (No "I'm voting for Kerry because Bush is evil") and keep sarcasm to a minimum. I want to know what Kerry supporters think his best attributes are and why they support him.
  2. zimv20 macrumors 601


    Jul 18, 2002
    lots of things i agree with. here are a few:

    - he wants to roll back some of the bush tax cuts
    - he says he'll crack down on off-shore accounting practices
    - he wants to provide a tax credit for companies which create domestic manufacturing jobs
    - tax credit for college tuition
    - wants to invest in renewable energy research (goal is 20% of energy needs served by renewables by 2020)
    - wants to expand loan programs to small business
    - wants to offer federal employees' health care plan to everyone
    - wants to offer tax credits for small business for up to 50% of health care premiums
    - wants health insurance companies to cover more for mental health issues
    - wants to hold down malpractice insurance premiums
  3. Thanatoast macrumors 65816


    Dec 3, 2002
    I'm sorry, I'm gonna say because he's not Bush.

    What I mean is that I don't really *support* Kerry, just like I suspect a large portion of the nation doesn't, except for the fact that he's not George W Bush. What other president has raised the deficit so high, alienated allies so quickly, and made the country less safe by ay of his "we don't need nobody" attitude?

    Really, I hate to go against your rules, but it's not that I'm voting *for* Kerry, it's that I'm voting *against* Bush.

    I really think that Kerry should be *more* outspoken and liberal in his policies. As in pro-gay marriage, anti-unilateralism, and anti-tax cut/pro-middle class. Kerry is the best of two choices, one sad and one simply unacceptable.
  4. blackfox macrumors 65816


    Feb 18, 2003
    It would seem like 'toast is not alone...

    statistics from the latest NYT/CBS poll for this question:

    Would you describe your support for George W. Bush as strongly
    favoring him, or do you like him but with reservations, or do you
    support him because you dislike the other candidates?

    Strongly favoring - 56%
    Like with Reservations - 32%
    Dislike opponent - 11%

    now, the results for the same question substituting Kerry for Bush:

    Strongly favoring - 31%
    Like with Reservations - 27%
    Dislike opponent - 37%

    As zim noted, Kerry has many admirable ideas and policies planned which make him worthy of a vote come Nov. (well my vote), whereas Bush doesn't really have a plan for his second term...

    This of course does not matter...as Bush an Co. can just continue to release vague platitudes about "values", "safety" and "out of the mainstream"...to define the nature of the debate...
    meaning that regardless of criteria, validity of claims or any actual substance...if they repeat them enough, they will stick.

    As some proof, here is another stat from the same poll:

    Do you think George W. Bush is the kind of person who takes a
    position and sticks with it or isn’t he that kind of a person?

    IS - 81%
    ISN"T - 15%

    For Kerry:

    IS - 39%
    ISN"T - 40%

    or this:

    Do you think Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September
    11th, 2001 terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center and the
    YES - 41%
    NO - 46%

    Do you think of the war with Iraq as part of the war on terrorism,
    or do you think of it as separate from the war on terrorism?
    If yes, is it a major part of the
    war on terrorism, or a minor part of the war on terrorism?

    Major Part - 39%
    Minor Part - 11%
    No Part - 44%

    Bear in mind, there are actually facts out there that tell us the reality of these situations...spin and repetition...spin and repetition....
  5. mouchoir macrumors 6502a

    Apr 29, 2004
    London, UK
    Hey! Wasn't that an episode of 'The West Wing' ?!

    I swear, half the stuff that's been on that show has since happened...
  6. mactastic macrumors 68040


    Apr 24, 2003
    Basically for the same reasons Toast states. And because I'm sick and tired of our country being an international embarrasment. More later, but time is short right now.
  7. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3


    Feb 7, 2002
    the only reason i come close to supporting kerry is because he's not bush.

    the problem is, that mentality gives him a clean slate to do whatever the hell he wants, because no matter what, he's still not gwb.
  8. jayb2000 macrumors 6502a


    Apr 18, 2003
    RI -> CA -> ME
    Stem Cell Research (same reason I fold)

    Kerry supports its, Bush does not.
    That's enough of a reason for me, but I also prefer some of Kerry's plans for tax changes and environmental policies.
  9. Krizoitz macrumors 65816


    Apr 26, 2003
    Tokyo, Japan
    I could try and explain but this guy gives a lot of the reasons in a much better voice than I could...

  10. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3


    Feb 7, 2002

    here are just a few problems i have with this dude's kerry praising

    first. kerry/edwards will improve america (he lists a variety of ways)... yes, of course they will. a chimpanzee could run the show better than bush. same goes for improving the world view of america (though i feel this is almost more important)..


    kerry's objections? sure, he might have been against the war in words. but did he vote for or against the bill giving bush authority to use force (with basically no restrictions i might add)?

    i'm also not sure how effective bush's reactions to 9/11 were... afghanistan is not in good shape

    third (commenting on getting europe to help with security/reconstruction in iraq)

    again, anyone would get a better reaction than the texan cowboy style of the bush administration... this doesn't impress me

    and finally

    just the author's arrogance and extreme nationalism

    why will other countries want to work with us if we go in thinking we're the best, we're so high and mighty, etc? i just don't understand having such a large amount of innate pride in the geographical location where you were born (or now reside)...

    but that's me

  11. pseudobrit macrumors 68040


    Jul 23, 2002
    Jobs' Spare Liver Jar
    And that's why I'm supporting and voting for the chimpanzee with the best shot at taking Bush out of office.
  12. IIvan macrumors regular

    Nov 21, 2003
    I feel that kerry and edwards are much are more connected with thte common people than bush who is so high society- likie the clip in F911 when he is talking to his rich supporters- ""my base""

    plus i think he wants to help us out with college paying, and i think he may not get us into more stupid foreign wars- both of which i (being 18-22 during the upcoming administration) am worried about

    plus hes NOT stupid and rich and conceited (he is rich but not like bush's family oil fortune)(ouch- i just killed my own point.. oh the terrible nature of our political system- a choice between bad and worse :rolleyes: ) and i feel hes a much more compassionate and not egoistic and obnoxious and embarrassing person than BUSH

    sorry if this is a bit jumbled.. ive had a couple to drink :)
  13. GeeYouEye macrumors 68000


    Dec 9, 2001
    State of Denial
    Aside from the rest of your post, like everything else in that movie, that quote is taken out of context; it's actually from the 2000 Alfred E. Smith dinner, a charity event where the two major candidates traditionally make fun of themselves. Gore for example, said something to the effect of "I'm so honored to be at this event, which I did invent." of course utterly ridiculous, since the dinner had been around since 1927, well before Gore was born.
  14. usmcdiorio macrumors newbie


    Jul 7, 2004
    Well I hate to break the news to you, but neither John Kerry or John Edwards are doing poorly for money. Kerry's wife is worth a cool 500 million dollars and Edwards was a big trial lawyer who won many huge settlements, making him a mulimillionaire in the process.

    Right now you can get out of college paying. If you're willing to serve your country in the military for four years. This is America, you don't get something for nothing. Free college means higher taxes, so you'll be paying for it one way or another. I'd rather be allowed to allocate my money as I see fit, rather than a beaurocrat bent on achieving "my best interest"

    As for the obnoxious and embarrassing, Kerry has had his share. Here are some links. Kerry falls, blames secret service

    Kerry ranting about Bush

    From what I've see in this thread, maybe two people have listed why they think Kerry would make a good president. Is it true that most of you don't actually even like Kerry, and just hate Bush? If so that's pretty sad, the Democratic party should get a candidate who can stand on his own two feet.
  15. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    If that's indeed the case (and I'll take your word for it), then I'd agree that Moore took the quote out of context and was being unfair. Hmm, so everything in the movie is out of context? Is that a fair statement?
  16. usmcdiorio macrumors newbie


    Jul 7, 2004
    Well, I too have noticed something strange. My posts only appear when I"m logged in, which means nobody will see this unless I'm logged in. That's kind of weird, it's never happened to me before. Maybe I'm being punished by a higher power for my conservative viewpoint. :) ;) Now THAT would be strange, I didn't mean to anger anyone in high places, especially Arn, or Rower CPU. With any luck, everything will be back to normal soon and every one can enjoy reading my posts and replying with witty comebacks like the good ol' days.
  17. usmcdiorio macrumors newbie


    Jul 7, 2004
    Well, an update on my status. i am now a newbie, with one post. Not where I'd like to be, but hopefully everyone can see my masterfully constructed works of art from now on.
  18. Sayhey macrumors 68000


    May 22, 2003
    San Francisco
    How, do you view that speech and not know Bush is poking fun at himself? Moore's point is one of irony. What Bush is saying in jest is in fact the case. There is no "out of context" problem here, only a problem of not getting Moore's message.
  19. Waluigi macrumors 6502

    Apr 29, 2003
    I support John Kerry because he won't invoke God when waging war against Arab Nations. That one point is enough for me to give him the nod over GWB, although there is much more.
  20. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    Time for a statement from He Who Must Be Obeyed: any explanation, Rower?
  21. tristan macrumors 6502a

    Jul 19, 2003
    high-rise in beautiful bethesda
    I'll be honest and say I don't know a lot about Kerry besides his Vietnam service and his anti-war beliefs when he came back. I've DVR'd some large chunks of the democratic convention so I can find out more about him.

    But I'll vote for Kerry because he's a democrat, and I like the democrats because they're the only ones who seem willing to really do something about what I see as this country's biggest problems - Health Care and Education.

    There's no reason the US shouldn't have the best educational system and the best health care system in the world. It would be the best investment in the future our country could make. Instead, we have one of the worst for a developed country, and the blame for that goes right to the republicans, who I assume never get sick, have unlimited money for education, and have no aging parents or children. :)
  22. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    Did you read the letter following the headline article in your link?
    Not exactly a ringing endorsement, I think you'll agree.

    Have you any evidence of the quality of your education system? International students also go to the US because they are ambitious and believe the US is the centre of gravity, not necessarily for the absolute quality of the education.
  23. tristan macrumors 6502a

    Jul 19, 2003
    high-rise in beautiful bethesda
    The US has great educational and health care systems - if you can afford it. If you can't, tough luck. That's not only wrong, it's shortsighted.

    I'm not advocating any European style socialist system, but there are lots of solutions.

    Clinton put in the Hope tax credit, which can pay most of the tuition for two years of community college. It's still not as good as the deal my grandfather got - his B.A., M.A., and PhD were free because he served in the war, an investment the U.S. Gov recouped many times over in tax revenue, but it's a start.

    The Dean health care plan let people buy into the Federal govt employees health care plan, and then gave subsidies to people who couldn't afford it. The Fed govt employee plan is a private plan with low administrative costs that is bid competitively.

    Both logical, common sense solutions. The Republicans haven't even made an effort in these areas.
  24. edesignuk Moderator emeritus


    Mar 25, 2002
    London, England
    Kerry != Bush

    That would be good enough for me :D
  25. yellow Moderator emeritus


    Oct 21, 2003
    Portland, OR

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