Why does Ireland allow pedophiles in the church?

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  1. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    NYT Article



    How can anyone have respect for a church which treated the most vulnerable as vermin.

    I hope everyone involved rots in the hell they so justly deserve.
     
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    I can only hope that at the very least they manage to pursue criminal investigations into all involved. It's a shame that there were no names in this report. :mad:
     
  3. Ugg thread starter macrumors 68000

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    It's not going to happen though. The (un) Christian Brothers have successfully sued to suppress virtually all information. Ireland's education ministry has also willfully withheld information.

    Religious apologists make me sick. All they want to do is cover their own butts. If the Irish had any sense, the catholic church would be outlawed from operating in Ireland.
     
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    The truth will out, even if it takes another 10 years to do so.
     
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    Unfortunately, it isn't just the Catholic Church of Ireland that turns a blind eye to the abuse of children in their care.

    As usually happens in these cases, the church does everything it can to protect the abusers. :mad:
     
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    I don't see how you can ban a religion because of the abuses of an institution that admits error and fault. Religion is not equal to those who abuse it. I personally know a Catholic priest who suffered at the hand of these Irish institutions, and he has committed his life to preventing further abuse and bringing those guilty to justice, but that certainly doesn't preclude him from the religion.
     
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    This is horrible. :eek: Those poor people. Can you even imagine?
     
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    Yes, that would be a fantastic solution. :rolleyes: That was tried for hundreds of years and didn't really work.

    EDIT: I do agree though that anyone involved in this should rot in jail.
     
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    Let me rephrase that. All clergy, nuns, church employees, etc, should be banned from any contact with children for 100 years, or at least until celibacy is banned as being abnormal behaviour which leads to sexual deviancy.

    Celibacy begets freaks.
     
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    Well they don't really go near kids anymore anyway, too little of them to run institutions. It has to be said though that some of them did absolutely fantastic work, and actually educated this country. Such a shame that these disgraceful, disgusting people were allowed not only abuse, but continue abusing.

    Yeah, celibacy is fairly retarded alright.
     
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    I'm all for recognizing the benefits of sex in healthy life, but this statement has no basis in fact whatsoever. There is no evidence that choosing to become celibate makes you more likely to become a pedophile. You don't become a pedophile; you're either born attracted to children or you're not. What evidence do you have that celibacy "converts" people to pedophilia and that the high instance of pedophiles is not due to their recognizing that they will never have the kind of sex they want, and chose a job that would put them in contact with children?

    Celibacy does not beget "freaks" because a small percentage of celibate priests in the entire world chose to take advantage of their position to abuse children.

    There is no correlation at all. Since pretty much all schools in Ireland are run by the Church, you could easily make the just as ridiculous claim that being an Irish teacher begets freaks.
     
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    Is there any evidence that "you're either born attracted to children or you're not"?
     
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    I don't think celibacy makes a person a pedophile. I think it is an excuse to lure them in to the church. A pedophile finds the church a safe haven. So if you let priests marry and have sex it will force the pedophiles out.
     
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    I don't have any good, hard evidence, but I did hastily find the Wikipedia page that shows that just like any other sexual orientation (straight, gay, bi, whatever), the cause is unknown but probably linked to genetics.
     
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    Not necessarily. You'd have to force priests to marry. Allowing the general public to marry does not stop people from being pedophiles.
     
  16. skunk macrumors G4

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    Is paedophilia a sexual orientation?
     
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    I guess it is an attraction, I don't know though.
     
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    Did you give this any thought at all before you posted MacNut :D;)!
     
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    Aside from being an abhorrent one how else would you describe it?
     
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    I don't think I would make it as a priest, the ladies are just to darn hot to leave alone.:p
     
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    As a sociopathic condition finding its expression through inappropriate and unequal sexual predation.
     
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    That can be a lot of things though can it not?
     
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    OK, that's a better description.
     
  24. Ugg thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Abusers are also most likely to have been abused when children. One has to wonder if abused children coupled with forced celibacy as adults makes priests and nuns abuse children even more viciously.

    If so, I'd think that would make for one heck of a lawsuit.
     

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