Why Hurricane Harvey will not be Trump's problem

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  1. LizKat macrumors 601

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    File under #planahead: Trump is so far behind staffing up NOAA and FEMA that practically everybody in there essentially was an appointee of and reported to former President Obama. So at least we have some people at those desks with some institutional knowledge of what might happen with a forecast of a 12-foot storm surge and thirty-five inches --almost three feet-- of rainfall.

    First big hurricane of Trump’s presidency will be managed by Obama-era officials

    Hurricane Harvey is expected to make landfall on the upper Texas coast Friday night, bringing “life-threatening and devastating” flooding, according to US government warnings. Mandatory evacuation notices have already been issued to residents of several counties.

    US president Donald Trump and vice president Mike Pence are warning Texans to be prepared. “Remember to #planahead!” Trump tweeted, with a video of him striding through the offices of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which handles the US’s natural disasters, then seated at a long table talking to officials. Pence retweeted the message, adding that those in the path of the hurricane should check the National Weather Service’s Twitter feed.

    The Trump White House has not done much to prepare for the storm, however. Two of the three politically appointed positions in the over-9,000-employee FEMA have yet to be filled by Trump appointees; the same goes with the top position at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which monitors storms. Even the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees both agencies, doesn’t have a permanent secretary, after John F. Kelly left to become White House chief of staff on July 31.
    Talk about being prepared. Trump should have let some Boy Scout speak in his place at the Jamboree.

    Let's hope Harvey's aftermath is handled as well as possible. You know Trump will claim credit if things go well and blame the former President :eek: for everything if anything goes wrong. Of course former President Obama has a Twitter account too, but he would probably let Mr. Trump extricate himself from such remarks if Trump were dumb enough to make them. Since Trump is that dumb, though, I bet some of Obama's former aides and comms folk are preparing some hot potato returns.

    As far as previous hurricane cleanups are concerned, here is fake but predictable news in advance, if John Kelly has anything to say about it: Trump will not be saying "Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job" to anyone on any live cameras in the wake of Hurricane Harvey.
     
  2. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    As of July only 47 of his 197 nominees had been confirmed due to the unprecedented obstruction taking place. Trump should be nominating more people, but at the same time you have to wonder what good it would do at the slow pace they are confirmed.
     
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    Well, let us hope whoever is in charge manages better than the effort for hurricane Katrina. The cynic in me suggests that because this involves oil production rather than merely poor minority people, there is a good chance the response from FEMA will be better. I guess we'll see. To be fair, Trump's tendency to throw subordinates under the bus – publicly – might actually light a fire under FEMA.
     
  4. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Source for this obstruction, please. I'm genuinely curious, because he hasn't done much of anything to work with Congress to get through the obstruction. Again, leadership without action = management. He should be leading, and working with them. Instead, he is blasting them, and even those in his own party.

    Besides, we're all waiting for the damage to occur for him to come back with another "That's too bad" statement.

    BL.
     
  5. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    I believe his source is right wing sites like Daily Caller. There's also a post on whitehouse.gov claiming it's dems fault, but who's surprised by that?

    Elsewhere...

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...rats-over-vacancies-1496703842-htmlstory.html

    What inspired this claim by 45? Oh... :rolleyes: Guess...

    What's the reality?

    But blaming the Democrats in this case ignores the reality that Trump's fellow Republicans control the Senate, where nominations are confirmed. They run the committees and schedule, and changes in Senate rules engineered by Democrats in 2013 require only a simple majority to confirm nominees.

    Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, said only five would-be ambassadors are awaiting action out of dozens of slots to be filled.

    Trump has said, for example, that he would nominate New York Jets owner Woody Johnson as ambassador to Britain but has yet to do so.

    In the case of Callista Gingrich, Trump's pick to be ambassador to the Vatican, the administration has yet to submit all the required paperwork. Without it, the Republican-led Foreign Relations Committee can't schedule a confirmation hearing. Gingrich, the wife of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, was nominated by Trump on May 25.

    So yeah, if 45 isn't taking responsibility for his not getting his appointments done, you can bet he'll be blaming Obama for anything horrible that happens in Texas. Hoping for the best for everyone in the storm's path.
     
  6. LizKat thread starter macrumors 601

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    Trump's nominee for head of FEMA was confirmed on June 20, by a Senate vote of 95-4.

    Trump submitted nominations for the next two top slots, the deputy administrator and the deputy for protection and national security, only on July 19, just before the Senate's recess and while they were preoccupied by attempts to pass some sort of health care bill.

    It has been typical of Trump to leave deputy slots unfilled. At the moment 60% of FEMA's regional directors are acting directors, i.e. holdovers from Obama's administration. Other management slots are also held by acting directors or are empty. The cited piece has an org chart with the acting directors identifed by (A) after the titles.

    None of this implies FEMA cannot respond although it may mean some double-checking before responses are rolled out, just because the agency head is new and the employees are old hands but have not had guidance yet from the Trump administration per se.

    The lack of deputies and new managers elsewhere in FEMA does mean either that Trump has failed to round up people with the personal loyalty he requires of "his" employees, or it just means he has not filled the slots because he figures the agency doesn't need them filled or wants to weaken the agency for some reason. FEMA would not seem a likely candidate for the latter sort of attention --which he has applied intentionally to EPA and State, for instance-- so it's probably just Trump's incompetence or inability of underlings to round up personally and politically loyal candidates for the jobs at FEMA.
     
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    Obstruction from where? His party hold all three branches? Or at least two of them solidly. I don't get it?
     
  8. LordVic macrumors 603

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    I'm going to take a page out of your own God's playbook here


    #FakeNews

    quite literally, in this case. The numbers you are repeating, as evidenced by everyone responding to you, is fake. you bought it, hook, line and sinker.
     
  9. zin macrumors 6502

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    Doesn't mean Democrats can't use every procedural technicality in the book to delay consideration. It's so bad that even The New York Times did a piece on it. They're even delaying the nominees they intend to approve. There are still nominees held up in committee from March.
     
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    From your first quote:

    Also for the source of obstruction, many of these Democrats sit on committees that they held up, apparently they are getting good at it:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/politics/senate-democrats-art-of-delay-trump-nominees.html

    My original post conceded that Trump hasn't chose as many people as previous presidents, it's a wonder why you guys brought it up at all. Must be the bullet point talking points you guys print out.
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    No, they aren't, and you will need to be more specific if you want to debate the numbers.
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    There are ways to obstruct confirmations without holding any branch.
     
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    Trump will be fine, he knows a thing or two about hurricanes.[​IMG]
     
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    Thank god! The man is an idiot.
     
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    It's a shame these spots haven't been filled because we all know that if there is one thing that helps people in a disaster it's a large government bureaucracy.
     
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    Yeah, who needs people to get anything done, anyways?
     
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    Yep. And of course the only people to "get anything done" are the Feds, right?
     
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    Simple question: Are you going to help me fill out and then file and process my application for the National Flood Insurance Program or is some bureaucrat going to do that?
     
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    Well, if you're asking people who hate big gov't of course not. If you're asking people who want help during a time of crisis, they then like big gov't. So then the feds become the people to get things done. Reality is it will be locals, churches, and the feds. You just don't want the feds hobbled because they didn't have the resources to do their jobs.

    Then it becomes the useless finger pointing game.
     
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    Hey! One man's "useless" is another's "easy."
     
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    It will be Trump's problem if people ignore warnings to evacuate, and the state and local governments don't have an adequate evacuation plan in place.

    You can't just go in and force people from their homes at gun point, freedom means anyone is free to make stupid choices. The Government's responsibility is to make sure it is informed consent.
     
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    Why oh why is this bollocks the lead story in the UK.I can see it's of concern to Texas and maybe a few other southern states, the Guardian is running a headline "death toll rises" yes to two.Hundreds of people are killed in northern India,Bangladesh and Nepal, a few words for two days at the end of the news.What the **** is wrong with humans?
     
  23. bradl macrumors 68040

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    The difference: Natural Disaster, versus something human-inflicted. No-one had to shoot, stab, and kill those in India, Bangladesh, and Nepal. I get your point, but there is a distinct difference.

    Additionally, death toll is at 5 from this at the moment.

    BL.
     
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    If the feds can't get anything done, then why did Cruz and his buddy ask for disaster aid for Texas from the feds before the hurricane hit, (despite voting against hurricane Sandy funding)? That's a conservative mantra that they only follow when it's someone else in need. The hypocrisy is palpable.
     
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    Pretty sure one of the local authorities told people to write their SSN on their arm if they aren't going to evacuate as instructed. Seems like solid advice at this point.
     

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