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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, Mar 18, 2014.
girl has pretty good points.
A few counterpoints to some of hers that are portrayed inaccurately:
The bailout did not cost taxpayers anything; in fact, to date, a net surplus of funds from dividends, profit shares, and interest payments have been made to the U.S. Treasury from the initial bailout funds.
It is her opinion that Obamacare has 'helped' big pharma.
There is no evidence to suggest that corruption is as rampant in the FDA as she suggests. It is stupid to suggest that the FDA is putting personal interests ahead of public safety, as it is in the administration's best interests to maintain public support and approval (a big health outbreak wouldn't help this).
Obama did not refuse to close Guantanamo Bay Prison; he issued executive orders to revoke funding and urged the Congress to close it permanently. The Congress prevented this action, not Obama.
Obama did not criminalise peaceful protests; one, Obama doesn't create laws, the Congress does, and two, the bill signed was simply an updated version of a one signed by Nixon that updated processes for dealing with federal building protection
She doesn't really have much in the way of an argument after this.
As for the end of the video for people who didn't want to watch, it's simply a repeat of the buzzwords of "freedom", "force", and "coercion" that normally accompanies libertarians.
. . . . . to your first bullet point . . . . . sure, as long as you don't pay any attention to the economic destruction that that largest 'smash-n-grab' in the history of civilization caused.
Public support and approval is a cynical myth, much like the term 'government'.
As early as the Nixon Oval Office, corporations saw the writing on the wall and set about a well orchestrated game of capture the flag.
The Republic of the United States is a Corporatocracy, Fascism, bibles wrapped in the Stars & Stripes, an entire society predicated on the worship of dead presidents, the bottom line.
I have so little interest in hearing her opinion.
If she were a member of the forum at least we could engage in a dialogue.
But finding someone who's jumped off the Obama bandwagon—or any politician's bandwagon—is low hanging fruit.
Would the OP like to bring up any of her issues as his own?
4 Obama signed it, he could have vetoed it.
5 why? because Obama expanded/continued what Bush started?
I wonder what her thoughts on the UN are....
Patriot Act extension
see #5 above.
Who the hell is this person and why is her opinion relevant?
I stop watching around 27-38 seconds in when she said "I sat back for the next couple of years, and figure I'll let you handle all that change". That's the complete opposite of what Obama's campaign was all about.
yeah, many things Obama did were indeed the opposite of what he campaigned about
He was, and is, the lesser of two evils.
Yup, He's a politician, big surprise. Funny how most had no interest in so much of government doings until Obama took office. When were the conservatives crying foul about the NSA, huge spending, and the economy during the Bush years? All of a sudden everything is treated like it's never been seen before in American history when Obama is president.
That Obama is going to do what he is doing now was obvious before he was first elected.
Only people who dont understand politics thought different.
Politicians are actors. Bush played "dumb hick", Obama plays "smart, slick Mr. Perfect".
They dont make decisions, people behind the scenes do.
They get payed with fame, admiration, money and pseudo-power. (Even a bit of real power sometimes)
The fact that the stupid masses fall for this over and over again is depressing
COMPARED to whom? Bush? I would say he is more evil than Bush, Obama campaiged AGAINST the mans policies
no different from the liberals & democrats who complained about Bush while excusing Obama for the same misdeeds
God I miss the anti-war left, they have been missing since 08
Come on his views just evolved. It is okay for democrats to do that.
I would say there's a difference ....
Depends on what you look at, almost seems like Bush got a third term .
Bush did get a third term. He just looks slightly different.
Yes, the same Bush that fought for LGBT+ rights, and tried to get the US in some kind of positive motion towards healthcare reform.
Oh..yeah... Bush didn't give a **** about LGBT+ people or people without healthcare.
I live in a country with government health care. You have no idea how bad of an idea that is.
It is not the governments job to take care of your health.
Unaffordable healthcare was caused by the same people who are now trying to push socialist healthcare.
The reason for this are not what they are telling you.
In the short run you might feel some personal gain in the long run you are screwed.
Obama doesnt give a **** about anyones rights.
it was Clinton who signed DOMA.
Bush/Obama did not care about the CONSTITUTION or ending WARS.
Speaking of whom....
You do realize that it was George W. Bush who signed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 , don't you?
If you are going to be mad at Barack Obama, and you start off your list of things you're mad about with something he didn't actually do... well, it makes you look a little silly
Elaborate on the bold. Who ended Iraq? Who ended Afghanistan?
And by that right, if the Reds had won in 2008, who was going to continue the wars?
might make YOU look silly IF I was excusing Bush at all
Why do people fall for this nonsense ? She's an anonymous youtuber. She has not got a single pro-obama video in her history despite her link-bait back-story. The majority of her videos are Libertarian with her terribly defending the 2nd amendment and a whole bunch of videos from years ago passionately arguing for ron paul (lol).
A simple goggle reveals she is the girlfriend of libertarian talk show host and activist adam kokesh.
You are being played like a fiddle.