Carrier Why is upload speed over 4g lte or 5g always so low ? Will it ever be over 30 Mbps or even 50 Mbps upload speed ?

max2

macrumors 68040
Original poster
May 31, 2015
3,346
722
P.S. Quietly waits for someone to prove him wrong.
 

ericwn

macrumors 601
Apr 24, 2016
4,606
2,851
What area do you live, what provider/carrier do you use, what plan do you have and finally: when you say low, what is your average upload speed then?
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors 604
Oct 27, 2009
7,617
9,253
I've only reached 60 up on mmwave using the S20 Ultra. Regular 5G is around 25 to 45 up. 4G LTE about 15 to 30 up.
 

JPack

macrumors 603
Mar 27, 2017
5,684
8,637
On iPhone, 4x4 MIMO is downlink only. Only one antenna is used for uplink.

The 5G model is expected to be the same.

 
  • Like
Reactions: brucemr

jschnee21

macrumors regular
Sep 26, 2018
144
65
My upload speeds on AT&T always sucked on my XSM. Since switching to Verizon they are way better. 30-60Mbit/sec UL on VZW is not uncommon.

In general, AT&T often has faster peak DL speeds than Verizon IMHO (AT&T customer for 20+ yrs, VZW for 3 months) but Verizon is much more consistent. And no data stalls!!!

My wife made me switch kicking and screaming. But I’m thinking she was right :p
 

vertical smile

macrumors 601
Sep 23, 2014
4,624
5,719
My upload speeds on AT&T always sucked on my XSM. Since switching to Verizon they are way better. 30-60Mbit/sec UL on VZW is not uncommon.

In general, AT&T often has faster peak DL speeds than Verizon IMHO (AT&T customer for 20+ yrs, VZW for 3 months) but Verizon is much more consistent.
I had a similar experience in my area when switching from AT&T to Verizon, but with 3G.

While the download speed was usually really good, the upload speed was horrible on AT&T with 3G, but when I switched to Verizon, the upload speed improved a lot, while the download speed dropped.

AT&T's horrible upload speed was really apparent when I was using the original iPad as a phone with VoIP for a few months in between iPhones. Download speeds were great, but upload made calling people hard sometimes.

My wife made me switch kicking and screaming.
I ended up switching to my wife's Verizon account, she was just a GF at the time, but it was AT&T's customer service that influenced me to switch.

After many years of using it, my original iPhone with the AT&T unlimited plan data and (some number, maybe 250?) of text messages broke. It was the end of May, and I knew a new iPhone, what ended up being the 4s, was going to be out in a few months away.

I suspended my AT&T account for a few months, and use my iPad with 3G as a phone for those few months until the new iPhone came out.

I ordered a 4s with AT&T and reactivated my account, only for them to inform me that my plan was no longer an option, and I would have to pay for unlimited text messages for an extra $25 a month. I ended up leaving AT&T for Verizon.

But I’m thinking she was right
=
Something interesting though, I had a lot of friends and family that used Verizon, and would always talk about how good it was, which in some places it was good.

But, I never dropped a call on my commute until I started using Verizon, as there was a dead spot on my drive. Also, it seemed like in some spots, data was really horrible, but I always seem to have download everywhere with AT&T with 3G.
 

max2

macrumors 68040
Original poster
May 31, 2015
3,346
722
What area do you live, what provider/carrier do you use, what plan do you have and finally: when you say low, what is your average upload speed then?
US. AT&T. Unlimited Elite. 2 to 10 Mbps.
 

andyw715

macrumors 65816
Oct 25, 2013
1,124
479
Really depends on where you live and tower saturation.

At my house I only get 4-5Mbps, drive a mile or two and get 40-50
 
  • Like
Reactions: max2

max2

macrumors 68040
Original poster
May 31, 2015
3,346
722
Thank you everyone!
- - Post merged: - -

Really depends on where you live and tower saturation.

At my house I only get 4-5Mbps, drive a mile or two and get 40-50
What wireless provider do you have please ?
 

jtara

macrumors 68000
Mar 23, 2009
1,957
509
Curious what everyone is uploading that requires that much speed?

FaceTime, livestreaming?

Still, neither require a rate nearly as high as the “low speed” you are complaining about.

I think most home Internet connections in US are still cable, and so asynchronous. It’s the way it works out with cable technology, but fortunately most consumers need much less upload bandwidth than download.

Typical cable plans have a 5:1 to 10:1 asymmetry between upload and download speeds.

Sure, I’m spoiled by 1GB symmetrical at home. But most users are served well enough by asymmetrical speeds.

I don’t see anything wrong with the upload speed you quoted for typical use.

Did you mean to write “download”?
 

max2

macrumors 68040
Original poster
May 31, 2015
3,346
722
Curious what everyone is uploading that requires that much speed?

FaceTime, livestreaming?

Still, neither require a rate nearly as high as the “low speed” you are complaining about.

I think most home Internet connections in US are still cable, and so asynchronous. It’s the way it works out with cable technology, but fortunately most consumers need much less upload bandwidth than download.

Typical cable plans have a 5:1 to 10:1 asymmetry between upload and download speeds.

Sure, I’m spoiled by 1GB symmetrical at home. But most users are served well enough by asymmetrical speeds.

I don’t see anything wrong with the upload speed you quoted for typical use.

Did you mean to write “download”?
YouTube videos.

No I did not mean download sorry.
 

jtara

macrumors 68000
Mar 23, 2009
1,957
509
No I did not mean download sorry.
I guess you meant to write “I meant download”?

Can you clarify? WATCHING YouTube videos, or uploading/live-streaming them?

Are you viewing in 4K? If so, on what mobile device that usefully supports 4K?

YouTube recommends 20mbps for 4K, and 5mbps for 1080.


Of course, mobile bandwidth will vary according to location and airspace loading. Are you in a fixed location, driving, or at various fixed locations?

Yes, 5G will be able to provide much higher speeds, but it will be selective location-wise.
 

max2

macrumors 68040
Original poster
May 31, 2015
3,346
722
I guess you meant to write “I meant download”?

Can you clarify? WATCHING YouTube videos, or uploading/live-streaming them?

Are you viewing in 4K? If so, on what mobile device that usefully supports 4K?

YouTube recommends 20mbps for 4K, and 5mbps for 1080.

[/URL]

Of course, mobile bandwidth will vary according to location and airspace loading. Are you in a fixed location, driving, or at various fixed locations?

Yes, 5G will be able to provide much higher speeds, but it will be selective location-wise.
All three a fixed location, in a car with someone else driving, and at various fixed locations.
 

jtara

macrumors 68000
Mar 23, 2009
1,957
509
Mobile in a car will always be difficult.

Put a shark fin on the car, and wire it to a WiFi hotspot that has an external antenna connector.
 

max2

macrumors 68040
Original poster
May 31, 2015
3,346
722
So what is the best car wifi hotspot for 4g lte data if that makes sense ?
 

andyw715

macrumors 65816
Oct 25, 2013
1,124
479
Thank you everyone!
- - Post merged: - -



What wireless provider do you have please ?
AT&T and when I remember I always press the button on the app that the signal suck. Which is infrequent b/c at home wifi and wifi-calling are the norm.
 

jschnee21

macrumors regular
Sep 26, 2018
144
65
My two kids constantly stream all manner of video (YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc.) while playing roblox, etc.

We’ve had numerous mobile hotspots (Mifi in Verizon lingo) from multiple carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon) for nearly 10 yrs.

The best has probably been my two unlimited hotspots on AT&T.

The Netgear MR1100 is pretty good and AT&T did restrict streaming resolution (you could turn that off depending on your plan)

My current pair of 8800L’s on VZW are okay hardware wise. But video streaming is throttled to 3-5MBit/sec and data is hard throttled at 15GB so we need at least two such devices per month.

But, they are only $10/mo each with the discount so much cheaper from a $/GB perspective
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,554
1,873
IMG_D891C9B0057E-1.jpeg

I've had higher but killed the test before it finished and recorded the results to stop the data consumption on my work phone. Its a free cellular plan that is unlimited to me abusing it could change that.

Download remains the priority though since that is where the majority of consumer usage is. Results all depend on area, tower and user load.

4G/LTE has plenty of room for improvement but overhead increases exponentially. 5G (depending on implementation) allows for higher data speeds with less overhead (cost) to the cellular provider. Expect to see similar results as we do now as cellular providers attempt to maximize profit.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.