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servenvolley

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I'm looking at the Apple Support page where they list vintage and obsolete products and I see that the 2012 15" cMBP (non retina) is vintage as well as the retina 2012 13" MBPs and even the 2013 MBPs are listed as vintage and yet the 2012 non retina MBPs are no where to be found on the list. Why is this? Don't get me wrong; I'm glad for it as I own one that I just upgraded the ram and HD (SSD now), but I thought for sure that it would be listed Vintage by now.
 

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Why Isn't the 2012 MBP (non retina) Listed as Vintage?

MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2012) is on the worldwide vintage list...
 
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Moonjumper

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The 2012 13" continued on sale until 2016 as a cheap entry point. It's later removal from sale is the reason it is not vintage.
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MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2012) is on the worldwide vintage list...

But the 13" isn't, which the OP mentioned within their post.
 
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servenvolley

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Would you care to estimate how many years from now then that this computer will be listed vintage? I think maybe this year since the 2013s are already on it, but then again, if we go by the 2016 sell-through year, then perhaps it will stay off the list even longer?
 
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Would you care to estimate how many years from now then that this computer will be listed vintage? I think maybe this year since the 2013s are already on it, but then again, if we go by the 2016 sell-through year, then perhaps it will stay off the list even longer?

Sorry, I'm not very good at guessing what Apple will do. Sometimes their moves are a pleasant surprise, sometimes not...
 
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Would you care to estimate how many years from now then that this computer will be listed vintage? I think maybe this year since the 2013s are already on it, but then again, if we go by the 2016 sell-through year, then perhaps it will stay off the list even longer?
On Apple's page listing Obsolete and Vintage products, it says right at the top: "Owners of iPhone, iPad, iPod, or Mac products may obtain service and parts from Apple or Apple service providers for 5 years after the product is no longer manufactured—or longer where required by law."
The 13" 2012 MacBook Pro was discontinued in October 2016.
 
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If the 2013s are vintage then my mid 2012 pre-retina (GASP!) MBP i5 is pre-historic. It’s still doing the job maxed out (16 GB RAM, 1 TB SDD). There are enough “latest & greatest” drones inextricably linked to the hive drinking the Microsoft & Apple marketing koolaid to keep the $billions rolling in. I’m opting out and predicating my purchases on need not add brainwashing.
 
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chrfr

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If the 2013s are vintage then my mid 2012 pre-retina (GASP!) MBP i5 is pre-historic. It’s still doing the job maxed out (16 GB RAM, 1 TB SDD). There are enough “latest & greatest” drones inextricably linked to the hive drinking the Microsoft & Apple marketing koolaid to keep the $billions rolling in. I’m opting out and predicating my purchases on need not add brainwashing.
Vintage is a specific term in the Apple context. Lots of people have needs for new computers and it's inappropriate to refer to that as brainwashing.
 
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I have one of those, it was my daily driver until a few days ago, I was fortunate enough to obtain a 2017 13" MBP.

it's likely not Vintage yet because it was sold until like 2016, so a really long time. and it's still a good machine, it's perfectly fine for daily use. the display is ****, but like, apart from that it's fine.
 
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MacDuggy

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Vintage is a specific term in the Apple context. Lots of people have needs for new computers and it's inappropriate to refer to that as brainwashing.

It’s VERY appropriate.
Apple and Microsoft expertise & forte is not technology ... it’s marketing.
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I have one of those, it was my daily driver until a few days ago, I was fortunate enough to obtain a 2017 13" MBP.

it's likely not Vintage yet because it was sold until like 2016, so a really long time. and it's still a good machine, it's perfectly fine for daily use. the display is ****, but like, apart from that it's fine.

Soldered in RAM and intentionally & purposefully ending expandability was a demonstration of arrogance that was a game ender for me. Why not just have the laptop melt & go up in smoke in a year like the “Mission Impossible” recorder so we have to buy a new machine?
 
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If the 2013s are vintage then my mid 2012 pre-retina (GASP!) MBP i5 is pre-historic. It’s still doing the job maxed out (16 GB RAM, 1 TB SDD). There are enough “latest & greatest” drones inextricably linked to the hive drinking the Microsoft & Apple marketing koolaid to keep the $billions rolling in. I’m opting out and predicating my purchases on need not add brainwashing.
Hmm...smh😎 Where to start? To say Apple’s expertise isn’t technology is kinda funny when you have a 9 year old laptop costing $300-$400 that smokes anything new from the other companies.

The mid-2012 13”(non-retina) isn’t pre-historic. It won’t be vintage until ‘21 or ‘22. Obsolete in ‘23. Apple’s Vintage products are those that have not been sold for more than 5 and less than 7 years ago. Obsolete products are those whose sales were discontinued more than 7 years ago.

So...guess you’ll soon be headin to the hive for a sippa koolaid with the rest of us “brainwashed” drones. Unless of course you’re gonna upgrade from your MBP to an Acer. Or Lenovo. Asus? 😎
 
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